Join Mickey and Matt as they unpack yesterday’s conversation with Patrick Gunnels—sharing what stuck with them, where their heads are at now, and if their minds have been changed in any way. Call in to join the conversation and add your take.

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Join Mickey and Matt for a fascinating conversation with Flat Earth researcher, Patrick Gunnels. Patrick has spent considerable time examining the assumptions behind modern cosmology and Earth science.

Today's conversation is not about convincing you what to believe, but about stress-testing ideas we usually take for granted, examining how evidence is interpreted, and understanding why intelligent people can arrive at different conclusions from the same data.

Whether you agree or disagree, we hope you find this a challenging and thought-provoking conversation!

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Join Mickey & Matt today as they wrap up their conversation on UFO's and open the discussionabout flat earth in advance of Monday's (1/12/26) show with flat earth researcher, Patrick Gunnels.