• Pick it and Stick It
    Jul 10 2026

    Join us for this fresh reboot of Never Contemplated where our host Judge Hetal Desai talks to Judge Carrie Ann Wozniak, the incoming Chair of The Florida Bar Appellate Court Rules Committee. Listen to Judge Wozniak discuss the importance of travel, what it is like to be a judge in the newest appellate district, and why young attorneys should do pro bono and guardian ad litem work. Judge Wozniak gives us tips on writing (keep it short), re-writing (edit, edit, edit), and preparing for oral argument (overprepare but treat it like a conversation). This episode is a great kick off to what should be an educational and entertaining new season.

    Links to Guardian Ad Litem and Appellate Law Section:

    https://guardianadlitem.org/

    (https://clicktime.symantec.com/15xVcJcfzbVxsnwpg1Cuk?h=xrYsr-UqQoVs3-9daVXARJGC-_LHHBGlwPk3-zL4ip8=&u=https://guardianadlitem.org/)

    https://flabarappellate.org/

    https://www.floridabar.org/about/cmtes/cmtes-cm/cmte-cm205/

    This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #9930

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    54 mins
  • The Practice of Law May be Different Than You Imagined
    Sep 5 2024

    Listen to our episode with Magie Ozarowski, the new host of the On Civility podcast. Judge Desai and Ms. Ozarowski talk about what it’s like to be a government attorney, to regulate alcohol, to be a Fellow in The Florida Bar's Leadership Academy, and to explore the world.

    This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8694.

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    36 mins
  • Never Contemplated with Renée E. Thompson Chair-Elect of The Florida Bar’s Solo & Small Firm Section
    Jun 27 2024

    Enjoy this interactive session as our host, Judge Hetal Desai talks with Renée E. Thompson Chair of The Florida Bar’s Solo & Small Firm Section as they discuss the many benefits of section membership. CLE #8573 .5 Professionalism and General Credit.

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    33 mins
  • Committee Work -Collaborating to Create a Better World for Colleagues and Florida Families
    Apr 16 2024

    In this episode of Never Contemplated, host Judge Hetal Desai talks with two distinguished members of The Florida Bar’s Family Law Section, Sarah Kay, and Shannon Novey. Tune in as they share their expertise and shed light on the intricacies of this multifaceted legal field.

    CLE Number: 8460

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    47 mins
  • Immerse Yourself and Just Get Involved - Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters
    Jan 23 2024

    Meet Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters, leaders of the Florida Bar’s Elder Law and Real Property Probate and Trust Law (RPPTL) Sections. Learn about the differences and similarities between these practice areas, and the professional and practical benefits to joining a Bar Section.

    This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8306.

    Links:

    The Florida Bar RPPTL Section

    Elder Law Section of the Florida Bar (eldersection.org)

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    50 mins
  • Surround Yourself with Amazing People - Rebecca Bandy
    Nov 30 2023

    This episode is a true holiday gift. Enjoy this interactive recording with Judge Hetal Desai and Rebecca Bandy, Director of the Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism at The Florida Bar, where they discuss her story and legal professionalism live from the National Association of Administrative Law Judiciary Conference in Tampa, Florida.

    This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8231.

    REFERENCED RESOURCES:

    Segregated Proms and SOUTHERN RITES:

    • https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/15/integrated-proms-race-georgia-gillian-laub-photographs
    • https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24prom-t.html
    • https://www.blind-magazine.com/news/black-queen-white-queen/
    • https://www.southernritesproject.com/

    The USS COLE, Carl Wingate’s Journal

    • https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132305&page=1
    • https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/military/2011/05/04/first-coast-survivor-uss-cole-blast-can-finally-sleep-soundly/15905090007/
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    46 mins
  • It’s a much more gratifying way of life when you are serving others - Justice Meredith Sasso
    Oct 18 2023

    Meet Justice Meredith Sasso, the newest member of the Florida Supreme Court. Listen to her conversation with Judge Hetal Desai about growing up in the capital city, what being on a sports team taught her, Guardian Ad Litem (https://guardianadlitem.org/), the creation and workings of the 6th DCA, and the importance of the Bar’s rules committees.

    This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8182.

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    41 mins
  • The Ability to Read the Room is as Important as the Ability to Read the Law - Alexis Fowler
    Aug 18 2023

    Enjoy this interactive session with Judge Desai and Alexis Fowler, Government Relations Director at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, where they discuss her survival story and the importance of giving back.

    This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.5 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7916.

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    50 mins