Join hosts Kenneth Stewart and Devin Akers as they explore the realities of bi-vocational ministry with guests Nathaniel Burmeister and Travis Worthington. Hear inspiring stories of church planting, practical tips for balancing ministry, work, and family, and strategies to avoid burnout. Discover how boundaries, energy management, and passion can help pastors thrive while serving in multiple roles.

How do you turn interest into identity? Momentum into maturity? Crowds into a church?

In this episode, Scott Armstrong and Kenneth Stewart sit down with Tim Richmond, Devin Akers, and Joumeel McLaurine for a powerful conversation on the process of transforming a gathering of guests into a thriving, discipled church. If you’re a church planter, pastor, or leader who wants to move beyond attendance spikes and build a solid church family, this episode will give you the language, strategy, and confidence to guide people from showing up to belonging.

Joe and Jessica Giunta share their journey into inner city ministry; from pastoring a great church in Florida, to a thrift store moment, to the heart of Detroit. They unpack the misconceptions of inner city ministry, the power of prayer, and simply loving people. From burn barrels with the homeless to raising kids in the city, this episode is a compelling look at what happens when the church shows up, stays, and partners for real change.