Scott Campbell is one of the most influential figures in modern tattooing — a true luminary of the craft who’s tattooed tens of thousands of people, including some of the most recognizable names in culture. From royal palaces and private jets to backstage rooms and moving vehicles, Scott’s work lives in the most intimate place possible: someone’s body. And trust is always the through line.

In this conversation, Yale (a man with zero tattoos and a healthy fear of permanence) sits down with Scott to talk about what tattooing really is: control, surrender, agency, and identity. Scott shares how he didn’t grow up “creative” in the romantic way people imagine — he grew up in rural Louisiana where art wasn’t a thing… until ninth grade, when he realized he could draw. Tattooing began as punk-rock rebellion and a middle finger to responsibility — and turned into the ultimate vehicle for freedom.

They also get into Scott’s surprisingly deep philosophy: protecting clients from their worst impulses, designing tattoos with the future in mind, and why he’s pro “get Jenny’s name tattooed” if you love Jenny today. The conversation expands into Scott’s relationship with money (as freedom), the illusion of freedom in the fine art world, and why “Dad Scott” is the version he’s most proud of. He opens up about what it really takes to have “the best divorce ever,” the power of a divorce ceremony, and why co-parenting well is worth doing anything for — because it doubles your Christmases. The result is funny, raw, and unexpectedly wise — a conversation in Scott’s Office.

Don’t miss this episode where Scott talks about:

• Tattooing in the wild: royal palaces, private jets, prison cells, and moving vehicles
• How tattoos became synonymous with agency
• Why his job is simply trust
• His take on partner-name tattoos
• Freedom as the real currency
• “Dad Scott” as his favorite self
• A divorce ceremony, and choosing respect over destruction
• Creativity and the subconscious, and why sleep is part of the process

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IG: @scottcampbell

TikTok: @thatscottcampbell

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Chris Appleton is one of the most influential hairstylists in the world — the creative force behind some of the most recognizable looks in modern pop culture. From red carpets to campaigns to cultural moments that define an era, his work is instantly recognizable. But what happens behind the scenes — in the chair, in the quiet, in the human part — is what makes Chris so singular.

In this conversation, Yale sits down with Chris to talk about his new book, Your Roots Don’t Define You — a project that’s not really about hair or beauty, but identity. Chris opens up about what it took to write something this personal, why the original proposal wasn’t honest enough, and what it means to finally feel aligned on the inside and the outside. They talk about shame, self-talk, and the voice that tears us apart in the mirror — and how healing isn’t deleting your past, but learning to live with it without letting it run your life.

Chris shares defining moments: the night coming out broke him, the decision to stop abandoning himself, and the career-changing day he almost let fear win — sitting outside Christina Aguilera’s trailer, doubting himself, then choosing to bet on himself anyway. They also get into fatherhood, friendship, the difference between love and alignment, rebuilding a relationship with home, and what it means to be proud of who you’ve become — not just what you’ve achieved. The result is vulnerable, sharp, and unexpectedly grounding — a conversation in Chris’s Office.

Don’t miss this episode where Chris opens up about:

• Why his book had to be rewritten to tell the truth
• The “therapist in the chair” reality of hairstyling
• How to quiet the hater voice
• The childhood moment that changed everything
• Coming out, shame, and surviving the moment he didn’t think he could
• The career pivot point that almost didn’t happen
• Finding alignment, boundaries, and what he learned through divorce
• Fatherhood, honesty, and the moment his kids told him they were proud
• Why Your Roots Don’t Define You is a permission slip to change

Find Chris:
IG: @chrisappleton1
TikTok: @chrisappletonhair

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Kyle Hoffman is the head trainer at Alo’s New York Wellness Club, the founder of his own online coaching platform, and one of the clearest voices in the next wave of fitness — the kind that’s less about punishment and more about sustainability. He grew up in Rockaway Beach chasing waves and playing soccer, and that mix of competition, community, and movement still shows up in everything he does.

In this pilot conversation, Kyle and Yale get into what it means to be a guy today: confidence, masculinity, body image, discipline, and the quiet power of being vulnerable when nobody expects it from you. Kyle talks about building a life around movement without turning it into obsession, why most men have unspoken body dysmorphia, and how he’s trying to model something more realistic than “chicken, rice, and no fun.” They also talk Hyrox, burnout, social media boundaries (yes, he locks his apps at 8pm), and the surprising creative side project Kyle’s pushing next — a script based on a real-life, truly insane breakup. The result is funny, honest, and way more thoughtful than the “bro” first impression would suggest — a conversation in Kyle’s Office.

Don’t miss this episode where Kyle talks about:

• Growing up in Rockaway: surfing as therapy, community as identity, and why everyone moves back
• How team sports shaped his mindset — and why competition should still be fun
• A realistic fitness philosophy: go out, live your life, then reset (instead of pretending you never party)
• Hyrox explained — and why it’s the most fun “competition” workout right now
• Motivation, burnout, and the underrated power of taking a week off to fall back in love with training
• Men’s body image: why it’s worse than people think — and why it’s rarely talked about
• Training as therapy: building real connection, not just “a hard workout”
• Social media boundaries that actually work: locking apps after 8pm
• What’s next: a movie script (based on his life), plus bigger plans with Alo and beyond

Find Kyle:
IG: @kylerussellhoffman
TikTok: @kylerussellhoffman

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