In this episode of Operation Be, I sit down with Pat Doyle for an honest, grounded conversation about growth, fatherhood, and what it really means to show up as a man today. Pat’s journey—from professional baseball to mortgage lending, podcasting, and parenting—has been shaped by real-life experiences that forced him to slow down, reflect, and evolve.

We talk openly about mental health, emotional intelligence, and the responsibility that comes with being a present father and a self-aware leader. Pat shares how navigating divorce changed the way he approaches parenting, personal accountability, and his own inner work—and why choosing growth over ego has mattered more than anything.

This episode is about aligning purpose with practice, learning from life instead of running from it, and understanding that clarity doesn’t come from having all the answers—it comes from being willing to look inward.

Whether you’re a parent, a professional, or someone committed to doing the work to live with more intention, this conversation offers perspective, honesty, and a reminder that growth is always available when you choose it.

🎧Check it out today!

01:53 The Zach and Pat Show

03:21 Fatherhood and Personal Growth

06:00 Navigating Divorce and Co-Parenting

08:58 Relationships and Emotional Intelligence

20:44 The Importance of Vulnerability

28:22 Using Social Media for Business and Personal Growth

31:30 The Identity Crisis for Men

32:06 Comfort in Solitude

32:50 Promoting Positive Masculinity

34:11 The Impact of Toxic Labels

35:32 The Importance of Listening

37:02 Building Community and Values

44:20 Rapid Fire Questions

Connect with Pat:

https://www.youtube.com/@TheZachandPatShow

https://www.instagram.com/stl_mortgagenerd/

https://www.instagram.com/thezachandpatshow/

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In this episode of Operation Be, I welcome the magnetic and mission-driven Jessica McTaggart, owner of The Curl Sanctuary in St. Louis. What begins as a conversation, becomes a full-bodied journey through Jessica’s evolution from a makeup counter employee to a leader reshaping the curly hair industry from the inside out.

We wander through the origin story of The Curl Sanctuary, the philosophy that fuels it, and the intention-packed choices that turned it into a safe haven for natural curls and the people who wear them.

We dig into what it takes to build a purpose-driven business: the quiet bravery of saying no, the courage to create a culture that feels like home, and the discipline required to grow without losing yourself in the process.

Jessica also opens up about training new stylists, honoring boundaries, and protecting the harmony between work, artistry, and real life. Expect heartfelt stories, grounded wisdom, and a look behind the curtain at what authenticity in leadership truly looks like.

If you’re building something that matters, or simply craving a reminder that intention is a superpower, this episode delivers.

🎧Tune in. Fill up. And be inspired to build your world with purpose. 💫

00:21 Meet Jessica McTaggart: Visionary Behind The Curl Sanctuary

02:25 The Journey to The Curl Sanctuary

07:42 Transformations and Client Stories

12:38 Building a Business with Integrity and Intention

28:47 The Importance of Mentorship and Community

37:05 The Importance of Community and Support

38:04 Intentional Living and Personal Growth

40:23 Building a Business with Faith

55:50 Navigating Personal and Professional Boundaries

01:01:57 Reflecting on Success and Future Goals

01:04:57 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Connect with Jessica:

https://curlsanctuary.com/

https://www.facebook.com/curlsanctuary

https://www.instagram.com/thecurlsanctuary/

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In this episode of Operation Be, we’re going all-in on one of the most underrated tools for growth: perspective shifts. We’re unpacking how seeing things differently—intentionally, clearly, and without burning yourself out—can radically reshape your life.

We’ll get into: ✨ Why unlearning society’s “rules” is the first step to freedom ✨ How challenging your mindset creates space for real alignment ✨ The truth about clarity (and why most people skip this part) ✨ Real stories from my clients who transformed once they changed how they saw things ✨ Practical, doable steps you can start today to shift your perspective and reconnect with your core values

This episode is your reminder that you don’t need a massive life overhaul—sometimes you just need a new lens.

🎧Hit play, take a breath, and let’s shift your perspective together.

Reflection Prompt: Try ONE perspective shift this week.

Identify something that doesn't feel great, or doesn't flow well in your life. Approach that thing with an open mind, and consider what YOU really think or feel about it, and how it is impacting your life. Do you really still need it?

00:21 Shifting Your Mindset

00:58 The Power of Perspective

08:04 Real-Life Examples of Perspective Shifts

11:58 Staying Present and Making Decisions

17:04 Action Steps and Conclusion

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