Hiring a VA is supposed to buy back your time… but if you don’t have systems, clarity, and boundaries, it can turn into virtual chaos real quick.

In this episode of Our Business Shenanigans, Jen Rodgers and Nicole Kalb break down the real wins and painful lessons of working with remote team members — including red flags, agency vs. individual VA pros/cons, what you need in place before you hire, and when it’s time to bring a role back in-house.

And yes… we’re telling the story about the time Jen’s Google Drive got deleted and someone tried to claim “that didn’t happen.” (It did. Receipts were involved.)

Listen now, and drop your VA horror stories + success stories — we might do a Part 2 with listener stories.

Jen & Nicole are joined by Justin and Philip from Digital Anchor Media to pull back the curtain on marketing partnerships — the good, the bad, and the confusing.

They discuss how to:
✅ Vet agencies the smart way
🚩 Spot red flags early
💬 Understand contracts & communication
📊 Track ROI that actually matters
🧭 Navigate Google Business & Local Service Ads

If you’ve ever wondered where your marketing money is really going — this one’s for you.

Listen now at ourbusinessshenanigans.com

Clicks ≠ Clients.
In part 1 of this episode of Our Business Shenanigans, we’re calling out the shady side of digital marketing with guests Justin & Philip from Digital Anchor Media. They share how to spot vanity metrics, track real ROI, and finally understand if your ads are actually working. If your agency speaks in jargon but can’t show you real results — this one’s for you.

Listen now at ourbusinessshenanigans.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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