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People Property Place

People Property Place

Written by: Matthew Watts
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Interviewing the leaders shaping the real estate investment management industry. Hosted by Matthew Watts, Founder of Rockbourne. The central intention of this podcast is to share the stories, views, opinions, and career journeys of the movers, shakers, innovators, and leaders in the real estate investment management industry. Whether you are an existing real estate professional, aspiring to break into the space, or just want to know more about this fascinating sector this podcast is for you. New episodes of The People Property Place Podcast will be released regularly and you will be able to find them for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or any App that supports podcasts. Oh, and one last thing - in every episode, I will be asking each guest who are the People, what Property, and which Place they would be looking to invest, should they have £500m at their disposal. www.rockbourne.com2022 Careers Economics Personal Finance Personal Success
Episodes
  • Ian Rickwood, Chairman of Henley - The Hard Lessons Behind Long Term Real Estate Success
    Jan 26 2026

    This week, I sat down with Ian Rickwood to unpack a career that spans entrepreneurship, private equity, consumer businesses, failed exits, market downturns, and ultimately the building of a long term real estate investment and capital platform.

    Ian is Founder and Chairman of Henley, a fast growing private equity real estate investment and venture capital business operating across the UK, Europe and the US. Over the last two decades, Henley has invested across residential, industrial, social and supported housing, urban regeneration and large scale development, working with institutional capital, high net worth investors and operating partners.

    In this conversation, Ian shares how early years in FMCG and entrepreneurial ventures laid the foundations for his approach to risk and execution, why scaling consumer businesses taught him lessons that many investors only learn later, and how navigating both successful exits and painful failures shaped his long term mindset. We discuss what it really feels like when a deal does not work, why some businesses are structurally broken regardless of management quality, and how those experiences directly influenced Ian's transition into real estate and private capital.

    Ian also explains how Henley was formed out of operational experience rather than financial engineering, why long dated and complex projects can offer an edge, and how the firm thinks about platform building, partnerships and capital alignment. We explore social and supported housing, urban regeneration at scale, the challenges of deploying capital through cycles, and why conviction becomes more important as markets tighten. The conversation also touches on US expansion, joint venture models, and what experienced operators look for when backing people rather than just projects.

    Key Topics Covered in This Episode

    ✅ From Operator to Investor

    How early entrepreneurial and operating experience shaped Ian's approach to capital, risk and decision making.

    ✅ When Exits Do Not Go to Plan

    Why some businesses fail despite strong management and what those lessons teach long term investors.

    ✅ Building Henley Through Cycles

    How private equity thinking, real estate fundamentals and operational discipline came together.

    ✅ Complexity as a Competitive Advantage

    Why long dated, operationally intensive and misunderstood assets can outperform.

    ✅ Capital, Partnerships and Conviction

    How Henley approaches joint ventures, institutional capital and platform growth across markets.

    And of course, I asked Ian the big question:

    Who are the People, what Property, and which Place would you invest in if you had £500 million to deploy?

    If you have thoughts or questions about this episode, drop them in the comments. I'd love to hear your take.

    The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne, recruiting leadership talent for real estate funds, owners, investors, and developers.

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    1 hr
  • Niall Farmer, Head of UK Gamuda Land – How Global Capital Really Chooses UK Property Partners
    Jan 19 2026

    This week, I sat down with Niall Farmer to unpack an unconventional real estate career that spans retail property, residential development, masterplanning, construction, and now leading the UK platform for one of Asia's most powerful real estate and infrastructure groups.

    Niall is Head of UK at Gamuda Land, part of the Gamuda Group, a global infrastructure and property developer with operations across Asia, Australia and Europe. Gamuda Land has delivered tens of thousands of homes globally and is now deploying significant balance sheet capital into the UK across offices, student housing, residential and large scale mixed use developments.

    In this conversation, Niall shares how graduating into the aftermath of the Global Financial Crisis shaped his early career, why a detour into client side retail property proved unexpectedly formative, and how a mix of construction exposure, development experience and relationship building created the platform for his later moves. We discuss the pressure and perspective that comes from stepping into a family construction business during some of the toughest market conditions in recent memory, and how that experience changed his approach to risk, leadership and decision making.

    Niall also explains how Gamuda Land entered the UK, what global capital really looks for when choosing local partners, and why being an "active" investor matters when deploying capital into unfamiliar markets. We explore how investment rulebooks are written, when they get broken, and what happens when conviction is tested on projects that sit well outside the original plan. The conversation touches on one of the most closely watched developments in the City of London, how large scale schemes are underwritten today, and what global investors are really trying to solve for when backing UK real estate.

    Key Topics Covered in This Episode

    ✅ From GFC Graduate to Global Developer

    How early career setbacks, unexpected roles and timing shaped Niall's long term trajectory in real estate.

    ✅ Retail, Residential and Construction

    Why working across asset management, development and construction created a broader decision making toolkit.

    ✅ Inside a Global Capital Mindset

    How foreign balance sheet capital approaches UK real estate, partnerships and risk differently.

    ✅ When Investment Rulebooks Break

    Why some opportunities force investors to step outside their stated strategy and how conviction is tested at scale.

    ✅ Building a UK Platform for Gamuda Land

    How trust, culture and local knowledge underpin long term capital deployment in unfamiliar markets.

    And of course, I asked Niall the big question:

    Who are the People, what Property, and which Place would you invest in if you had £500 million to deploy?

    If you have thoughts or questions about this episode, drop them in the comments. I'd love to hear your take.

    The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne, recruiting leadership talent for real estate funds, owners, investors, and developers.

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    👉 http://peoplepropertyplace.com/

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Nick Leslau, Chairman and Founder, Prestbury Group – Why Capital Is Turning Away From Britain
    Jan 12 2026

    In this episode of the People Property Place podcast, Nick Leslau, a real estate investing legend who has built and backed some of the most influential UK property vehicles of the last few decades, shares what really matters when markets turn and leverage starts to bite.

    Drawing on a career spanning Prestbury, listed platforms, major exits, and multiple cycles, Nick explains why credit, not property, has always been the real risk. He reflects on early lessons from the securitisation era, the danger signals he watches in bank behaviour and loan to value ratios, and why every property crash ultimately traces back to the same place, too much debt in the system.

    The conversation also explores what it takes to make decisions at scale over decades. Nick speaks candidly about insecurity, judgement, and why he has never believed success comes from being the smartest person in the room. Instead, he credits long term performance to surrounding yourself with sharper minds, staying wary of your own conviction, and keeping discipline when others chase narratives. A clear, experience led discussion on risk, capital allocation, and how People, Property and Place intersect inside real estate investing.

    The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne, recruiting leadership talent for real estate funds, owners, investors, and developers. 🔊 LIKE ➡ SHARE ➡ SUBSCRIBE 👉 http://peoplepropertyplace.com/

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    2 hrs and 9 mins
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