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Popp Talk, June 13, 2026

Popp Talk, June 13, 2026

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Popp Talk with Mary Jane Popp Shamanic Teachings of the Condor and The Hidden Power in Your DNA Guests, Martha Travers & Judy Wilkins Smith Ancient Wisdom, Ancestral DNA, and the Search for the Power Within A Wide-Ranging Journey Into Mystery, Health, and Human Potential In this episode of Popp Talk, host Mary Jane Popp introduces a broad conversation about the future, artificial intelligence, health, vitamins, minerals, longevity, and the hidden power inside human DNA. Before moving into those later subjects, she begins with her fascination for Native American and Indigenous teachings, asking whether ancient traditions contain lessons people still need today. The episode features two main guests: Martha Travers, discussing Andean mystical traditions and shamanic teachings, and Judy Wilkins Smith, discussing genealogy, ancestral patterns, and the power hidden in DNA. Martha Travers Opens the Door to the Mystical Andes Mary Jane first welcomes Martha Winona Travers, author of Shamanic Teachings of the Condor: Encounters with the Mystical Traditions of the Andes. Martha explains that the word “mystical” can mean different things depending on a person’s experience, but for her it describes moving beyond the ordinary ego-based self into communion with the great creative forces of life. She connects mystical experience with union, comparing it to the meaning of yoga, and describes it as a return to awareness of the larger cosmic path that human beings often forget. The Eagle, the Condor, and the Reunion of Mind and Heart Martha introduces the Andean teaching of the Eagle and the Condor, explaining that the eagle represents intellect, reason, and the mind, while the condor represents intuition, heart, and the ability to sense realities beyond the five senses. She says her teacher, Taita Alberto Taxo, taught that both are necessary and that humanity is moving toward a time when the eagle and condor fly together in the same sky. Mary Jane challenges the idea by pointing to division, hatred, war, and conflict in the modern world, while Martha responds that deeper human life still contains a desire to care for one another and seek common ground. Nature as Teacher, Healer, and Shared Human Source Mary Jane presses Martha on whether ancient nature-based ways can really apply to a world shaped by computers, artificial intelligence, cities, and technology. Martha says the goal is not to go backward or force everyone into agriculture, but to reconnect each individual with the living sources of physical life: earth, water, fire, air, food, sunlight, and breath. She explains that the Andean teachings help people in any setting, rural or urban, restore harmony by reconnecting with nature and the heart. For Martha, technology can be used wisely only when people also understand whether their choices promote health, balance, and well-being. A Spirited Debate About Climate, Cities, and Going Forward The exchange becomes more pointed as Mary Jane argues that nature has been damaged by pollution, depleted land, bad air, and climate change. Martha responds that the earth, water, and land have their own healing power when given the opportunity, and that human beings are still in the middle of a larger transformation. Mary Jane questions whether people can truly come together when they live in such different realities, such as a rural landscape versus a high-rise city apartment. Martha answers that connection begins through sharing, conversation, children, common ground, and individual inner change rather than a forced return to the past. Martha’s Path Through Shamanism, Community, and Andean Practice Mary Jane asks how Martha’s long study with Indigenous Kichwa people in the Andes changed her. Martha explains that before that journey, she was already a mother living in a rural setting, homeschooling her children, growing food, and becoming interested in shamanism. After meeting Taita Alberto Taxo through a gathering brought to Michigan by John Perkins of Dream Change, she traveled to Ecuador and began learning with his family and community. Martha says the experience did not change her into something entirely different so much as affirm and deepen a path she was already walking, bringing her solitary mystical experiences into a living community of joyful practice. Judy Wilkins Smith and the Superhero Hidden in the Family System The second featured conversation begins when Mary Jane welcomes Judy Wilkins Smith, a systemic work and constellations expert, Fortune 500 executive coach, and author of The Hidden Power in Your DNA. Judy says people often sense that there is a larger version of themselves waiting to be expressed, much like the hero figures they admire in comics, fantasy, and popular culture. She explains that a person’s “superhero” power may not be a cape or dramatic ability, but qualities such as kindness, happiness, persistence, generosity, or the part of them that naturally opens doors when amplified ...
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