The biggest challenge in OT cybersecurity isn't technology - it's earning trust.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Jacob McCune, a cybersecurity architect with more than 20 years of hands-on experience across both IT and OT environments.

Jacob shares his unconventional journey from the help desk to securing critical infrastructure, highlighting the lessons that only real-world experience can teach. Together, Aaron and Jacob explore why communication, collaboration, and trust are often the deciding factors between successful cybersecurity programs and failed initiatives.

The conversation also dives into the future of OT security, examining how AI, cloud technologies, and evolving architectures are changing industrial environments and why organizations need to rethink traditional approaches while keeping operational realities front and center.

Key Learning:

• Why trust is the foundation of successful OT cybersecurity programs
• How practical experience shapes better cybersecurity decisions
• The importance of communication between IT, OT, and leadership teams
• Why compliance alone doesn't guarantee security
• How AI and cloud technologies are reshaping OT environments
• What the future may look like beyond traditional industrial architectures

Key Moments:

05:18 Building a Power Plant Team

09:06 Balancing cybersecurity with business needs

11:01 Avoiding project delays during downtime

16:04 Importance of Broad Experience

17:59 A mentor's lesson on teamwork

23:41 Challenges with job postings and requirements

26:27 Managing risk and resource challenges

29:59 Helping Your Compliance Team

33:12 Dad's long career and expertise

36:44 Discussing cybersecurity risk management

39:44 Cloud resources and AI discussions

41:08 Exploring future solutions and technologies

Whether you're building an OT security program, managing critical infrastructure, or looking to grow your cybersecurity career, this episode delivers practical lessons from years of real-world experience.

Tune in to discover why people, trust, and communication remain the most valuable assets in modern cybersecurity only on Protect It All.

About the guest:

Jacob McCune is a cybersecurity architect with more than 20 years of experience across IT and OT environments, helping organizations secure critical infrastructure through practical, real-world security strategies. From starting his career on the help desk to designing enterprise security architectures, Jacob has built a reputation for bridging the gap between IT and OT through collaboration, communication, and trust. He is passionate about helping organizations move beyond compliance to build resilient cybersecurity programs that protect both people and operations.

Links to connect Jacob :

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-mccune-33a08984/

CornCon Cybersecurity Conference : https://corncon.net/

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AI is changing OT cybersecurity - but success still depends on understanding your operations.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow welcomes Vivek Ponnada for a practical conversation about how artificial intelligence is transforming the way organizations defend critical infrastructure.

With decades of experience in industrial automation and OT security, Vivek shares firsthand insights into the realities of protecting legacy control systems while preparing for a future increasingly shaped by AI, automation, and digital transformation.

Together, Aaron and Vivek discuss how organizations can use AI to improve visibility, accelerate threat detection, prioritize vulnerabilities, and strengthen operational resilience, without losing sight of the fundamentals that keep industrial environments safe.

Key Learning:

• How AI is transforming OT cybersecurity and industrial operations
• Practical AI use cases for protecting critical infrastructure
• Why legacy systems remain one of the biggest OT security challenges
• How AI can improve vulnerability management and incident response
• The role of digital twins in strengthening cyber resilience
• Why trust, collaboration, and operational knowledge remain essential in OT security

Whether you're responsible for manufacturing, utilities, energy, water, or other critical infrastructure, this episode provides practical insights into balancing innovation with operational reliability.

Tune in to discover how AI can strengthen OT cybersecurity while helping organizations protect the systems that keep the world running.

Key Moments:

06:43 AI and cloud adoption in OT

13:27 Controller logic changes and safety steps

21:24 Discussing Digital Twins for Security Use

26:51 Managing vulnerabilities at scale

32:41 Understanding Power Plant Limitations

37:17 Keeping up with plant changes

41:43 Automating infrastructure and maintenance

49:08 Rising importance of cybersecurity investment

52:16 Early days in cybersecurity and OT

01:00:03 Ransomware impacts on industries

01:01:53 Using GPUs for security and OT

About the guest :

Vivek Ponnada is an Operational Technology (OT) Security practitioner with global experience and currently serves as the SVP of Growth & Strategy at Frenos, the world's first Simulated OT Pentesting Platform. Having started his career in Industrial Control Systems (ICS) as a Technician, Vivek became a Controls Engineer and commissioned Gas Turbines in Europe, Middle-East, Africa and South-East Asia. Post MBA, Vivek held multiple roles in Sales, Marketing & Business Development and Services covering ICS and OT Security solutions for Critical Infrastructure industries (Power, Oil & Gas etc.) at GE, XenonCyber Dynamics and Nozomi Networks. He was a co-lead for the Top 20 Secure PLC Coding Practices Project and regularly speaks at Information Security Conferences. Vivek has a C.Eng. from IEI, MBA from McCombs (UT Austin) and holds the ISA/IEC 62443 Cybersecurity Expert & GICSP certifications. He is a member of the ISA, ISACA, Public Safety Canada ICS Security Symposium Advisory Committee and is a CS2AI Fellow.

How to connect Vivek:

Frenos: https://frenos.io

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/1ot/

Frenos YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Frenos_Security

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When it comes to OT cybersecurity, the fundamentals still matter - even in the age of AI.

In this episode of Protect It All, host Aaron Crow sits down with Caleb Davis for a practical discussion on securing industrial environments where uptime, safety, and resilience are non-negotiable.

From legacy control systems and tight budgets to AI-powered threats and open-source security tools, Aaron and Caleb explore the real challenges organizations face every day - and the strategies that deliver meaningful protection without requiring massive investments.

A major focus of the conversation is defense in depth: building multiple layers of protection, fostering trust between IT and OT teams, and strengthening foundational cybersecurity practices before chasing the latest technology.

You'll learn:

• Why defense in depth remains the cornerstone of OT cybersecurity
• How to improve security in legacy industrial environments
• Practical ways to strengthen OT security - even with limited budgets
• Why asset inventory, segmentation, and basic cyber hygiene still matter most
• How AI is changing both offensive and defensive cybersecurity
• The importance of trust and collaboration between IT, engineering, and operations

Whether you're responsible for manufacturing, utilities, water treatment, energy, or any critical infrastructure environment, this episode delivers practical strategies you can apply immediately.

Tune in to learn how layered defenses, strong relationships, and proven fundamentals create resilient OT security programs - only on Protect It All.

Key Moments:

05:41 PLCs and network security challenges

07:24 Challenges in Updating OT Systems

11:33 Impact of Downtime on Security

16:03 Using affordable cybersecurity tools

19:14 Building Trust in Business Deals

23:01 Security challenges in medical devices

25:49 Trust and IT implementation risks

28:35 Using AI for safer software updates

31:05 Cybersecurity best practices for plants

33:40 Balancing Security Costs and Business Needs

37:50 Nurturing OT like raising kids

41:20 AI and cybersecurity concerns

About the guest : Caleb Davis is a founding member of SolaSec, a cybersecurity consulting firm specializing in advanced penetration testing for embedded and connected systems. Based in Dallas/Fort Worth, he holds a degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Texas at Tyler and is a patent-holding expert with vast experience in hardware and firmware security. Caleb leads deep technical assessments across a range of high-impact industries, including medical devices, automotive, industrial control systems, ATMs and financial terminals, aerospace components, and consumer electronics. His work focuses on secure design, trusted boot processes, cryptographic implementations, and threat modeling, helping organizations integrate security throughout the development lifecycle and align with industry and regulatory standards.

How to connect Celeb :

SolaSec: https://solasec.io

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/caleb-davis-400439100/

OTPCAP (OT PCAP analysis tool): https://github.com/SolaSec/otpcap

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