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Welcome to the conversation. Today, Bryan and Scott dive into the profound depth of Jesus’ humanity. Too often, we rush past the reality that Jesus didn’t just appear human—He fully entered into our experience. He knew hunger and exhaustion, joy and sorrow, friendship and betrayal. He wept, He prayed, He wrestled, and He obeyed.

In this episode, Bryan and Scott explore what it means that Jesus was fully human while remaining fully God—and why that truth matters so deeply for our faith today. They’ll reflect on how Christ’s humanity shapes our understanding of suffering, obedience, temptation, and hope, and how it invites us to trust a Savior who truly understands us from the inside out.

This is a conversation about incarnation, empathy, and the nearness of God—so settle in as Bryan and Scott unpack the beautiful mystery of Jesus, fully God and fully human.

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Today on the podcast, we’re joined by Leslie VanHoven, the Executive Director of Designed to Thrive, a marriage enrichment ministry dedicated to helping couples build strong, Christ-centered relationships that truly flourish. Leslie brings years of experience walking alongside couples, leaders, and churches, offering practical wisdom and deep compassion for the real challenges marriages face. In our conversation, we’ll explore God’s design for marriage, the common pressures that can erode intimacy, and how intentional enrichment can help couples not just survive—but thrive. We’re grateful to have Leslie with us today.

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Today on the podcast, we’re stepping into one of the most surprising connections in Scripture—the way the story of Jonah quietly points us toward the salvation story of Jesus. Jonah, the reluctant prophet who ran from God yet was still used to bring mercy to an undeserving city, becomes a living foreshadow of a much greater rescue to come.

In the life of Jonah we see shadows—three days in the deep, a message of repentance, and a God whose compassion refuses to give up on broken people. But in Jesus, we encounter the true and better Jonah: the One who didn’t run from His mission but ran toward us; who didn’t face the depths because of His disobedience, but willingly entered death itself to bring us life; who didn’t simply warn of judgment, but bore it on our behalf.

As we explore this theme today, we’ll see how the entire arc of Jonah’s story lifts our eyes to the greater Savior—Jesus Christ—who fulfills what Jonah could only hint at. Let’s dive in.