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Prove It To Me - Real Research, Real Data, No BS

Prove It To Me - Real Research, Real Data, No BS

Written by: Dr. Matt Law
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 Do you get tired of big ideas, exorbitant pitches, inactionable concepts, and empty promises? Cool, me too. I’m Dr. Matt Law, and I’m the host of ”Prove It To Me”. This podcast aims to put theories to the test and bring good research to light by showcasing evidence-based solutions. Guests will be challenged to identify things that actually work, provide research and data to back up their claims, and tell us how to measure and manage real solutions. You’ll hear about a lot of environmental health and occupational safety theories and concepts, but you’ll also learn about general business solutions and maybe even some everyday things that you can apply to your life. We’ll also cover general topics about research, whether it be about measurement tools, statistics, or what differentiates good research from, well, the not so good information out there. ”Prove It To Me” is nerdy. It is serious. It is jovial and fun. It is optionally explicit, but your kids will probably be asleep before we get to any bad stuff anyway. If you’re ready to cut through the BS, maybe learn a little bit about research, and get into the nitty gritty of whether big ideas work or not, you’re in the right place. Have some evidence-based research to share? Send an email to contact@proveitpod.com today! Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and its guests and do not necessarily represent the official position, opinion, or strategies of their employers or companies. Examples of research and data analysis discussed within this podcast are only examples. They should not be utilized in the real world as the only solution available as they are based on very limited, often single-use case, and sometimes dated information. Assumptions made within this discussion about research and data analyses are not necessarily representative of the position of the host, the guests, or their employers or companies. No part of this podcast may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, mechanical, electronic, recording, or otherwise without prior written permission of the creator of the podcast. The presentation of content by the guests does not necessarily constitute an active endorsement of the content by the host.Copyright 2024 All rights reserved. Economics Hygiene & Healthy Living
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  • Ep 210 - The Fear-Pleasure Paradox (And Why I Still Hate the C-Word)

    Ep 210 - The Fear-Pleasure Paradox (And Why I Still Hate the C-Word)
    Apr 3 2026

    In this #StudyFinds episode of #ProveItPod, Dr. Matt Law brings back the conversation from Episode 106 regarding the industry's toxic obsession with "Complacency." Thanks to a clinical psychology study sent over by his wife, we look at the fMRI neuroscience of "Recreational Fear" to validate why the C-word is a myth—it’s just the brain's Default Mode Network (DMN) achieving cognitive efficiency.

    We revisit the failure of "Scare Tactics" (Threat Appeals) from Episodes 108/109, and discuss how replacing gory safety videos with high-arousal, controlled simulations (like VR or escape-room style drills) can actually train the brain to safely sever the DMN and snap into the Salience Network (active hazard recognition) without causing defensive avoidance.

    References:

    Petrova, K. (2025, October). Controlled fear might temporarily alter brain patterns linked to depression. PsyPost. https://www.psypost.org/controlled-fear-might-temporarily-alter-brain-patterns-linked-to-depression/

    Zhan, Y., & Ding, X. (2025). Fear-pleasure paradox in recreational fear: Neural correlates and therapeutic potential in depression. Psychology Research and Behavior Management, 18, 1-15. https://doi.org/10.2147/PRBM.S529004
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    16 mins
  • Ep 209 - Beyond the Shiny Object: Implementing Safety Technology with Kenna Stanley

    Ep 209 - Beyond the Shiny Object: Implementing Safety Technology with Kenna Stanley
    Mar 27 2026

    In this episode of #ProveItPod, we dive into the complex world of workplace #safety #technology with Kenna Stanley. It’s easy to get distracted by the "shiny object" of new tech, but as we discuss today, successful implementation comes down to #culture, #readiness, and the human element. We explore the gap between academic #research and real-world application, the very real danger of alert fatigue, and why asking your workers two simple questions might be the best first step you can take.

    Key Takeaways:

    • Culture over Infrastructure: Having the IT resources to implement tech is only half the battle. Without cultural buy-in and worker engagement, even the best tools will be sunsetted within a year.
    • Beware of Alert Fatigue: Technology should enhance safety without overwhelming the worker. Too many notifications can lead to the "boy who cried wolf" effect, rendering proximity sensors and wearables useless.
    • The Two Magic Questions: Not sure where to start? Ask your workers: Where is our next fatality going to happen? and What can we do about it? * Bridging the Research Gap: Why EHS professionals need systematic, unbiased reviews of safety tech rather than relying solely on siloed lab studies or vendor sales pitches.

    About Our Guest: Kenna Stanley is a Research Manager with the National Safety Council, where she specializes in workplace safety, technology adoption, and human-centered innovation. With a background in criminology and behavioral science from the University of Florida, she brings together data and human factors to shape practical strategies to make workplaces safer and more secure. Connect with Kenna on LinkedIn

    Resources Mentioned:

    Work to Zero Digital Readiness Assessment

    NSC Spring Safety Summit – (Join us on May 6th for the Safety Technology Workshop!)
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    29 mins
  • Ep 208 - The 3 AM TRIR Frustration (Evaluating ASOHMS vs. Z10)

    Ep 208 - The 3 AM TRIR Frustration (Evaluating ASOHMS vs. Z10)
    Mar 20 2026

    In this #StudyFinds episode of #ProveItPod, Dr. Matt Law battles post-conference road fatigue to tackle a brand new case study from the International Journal of Construction Management. The study reviews the implementation of the Army Safety and Occupational Health Management System (ASOHMS) within a USACE district.

    While the researchers found a correlation between the system's implementation and a reduction in contractor incident rates, the episode dives deep into the statistical methodology. We compare ASOHMS to ANSI/ASSP Z10 and ISO 45001, break down the double-edged sword of "rolling averages," and ask a tough question: If landmark research proves that TRIR is statistically invalid and driven by random variance, can we really use it to prove our complex management systems are working?

    References:

    American Society of Safety Professionals. (2019). Occupational health and safety management systems (ANSI/ASSP Z10.0-2019).

    Hallowell, M., Quashne, M., Salas, R., Jones, M., MacLean, B., & Quinn, E. (2021). The statistical invalidity of TRIR as a measure of safety performance. Professional Safety, 66(4), 28–34.

    Moskowitz, J. M., & McCranie, J. B. (2025). Investigating the impact of army safety and occupational health management system implementation on safety performance indices: case study of a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers district. International Journal of Construction Management, 1–17. https://doi.org/10.1080/15623599.2025.2537722

    U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. (2024). Safety and health requirements manual (EM 385-1-1).
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    19 mins
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