Charles de Jager — aka "The Hunter," founder of Energy Credit Consulting joined the guys to break down what's actually saving developers money now that federal incentives like 179D and 45L have been gutted by the One Big Beautiful Bill. He walks through how his team finds millions per project by running hundreds of energy models and challenging "default" specs like triple-pane windows, continuous exterior insulation, and the rush to go all-electric (including the "All-Electric Trap" where heat pump water heaters score worse than a simple Navien tankless). They also play a round of Marc's favorite game - Overrated/Underrated/Appropriately rated covering solar panels, ducted heat pumps, battery storage, and the political risk hanging over MassSave incentives.

In this episode, Dan and Marc sit down with Jordan Hayashi, founder of Bizzen, to break down how AI is rapidly transforming small businesses—especially in construction and real estate. Jordan shares his journey from working in a top AI lab to building tools that eliminate tedious tasks like estimates, reporting, and project communication. The conversation dives into the overwhelming explosion of AI tools, how to separate signal from noise, and why choosing the right platform matters more than ever. They also tackle the big question: will AI replace jobs—or unlock a new era of productivity and opportunity for those who adapt early?

Because we couldn't get enough of AI a few episodes ago, we continue our discussion and dive deeper into how AI is transforming real estate, entrepreneurship, and everyday business operations—faster than most people realize. They share real-world examples, including launching a fully branded company in just hours, automating workflows, and replacing expensive tools like CRMs with custom-built AI solutions. The conversation explores both sides of the AI boom: massive efficiency gains and cost savings, alongside risks like over-reliance, poor implementation, and market disruption.