On this episode, the guys discuss a wide range of topics using a “low-key hot takes” approach. The hosts debate topics like why pocket doors, overused recessed lighting, excessive LED strips, and traditional hardwood flooring are overrated, while defending practical alternatives such as engineered flooring, Hardie siding, bidet toilets, and thoughtful lighting design. They also touch on construction best practices, window installation myths, energy efficiency metrics like HERS ratings, and the realities of modern building codes. The conversation wraps with forward-looking takes on robotics, home technology, and how changing standards are reshaping housing and everyday living.

Garrett Hogan of OnPoint Companies returns to discuss recent Boston-area projects, including a unique Brookline property he renovated, sold, and then re-renovated as the new owner’s general contractor. Garrett shares insights on market timing, investment strategy, and balancing risk versus vision, along with lessons learned from affordable housing units, permitting, and all-electric multifamily development in Jamaica Plain. The conversation also covers the end of his long-term business partnership, the realities of real estate collaborations, and his side venture distributing innovative building envelope products like Thermal Buck and Thermal Tight.

The guys reflect on the transition from corporate careers to entrepreneurship in real estate, emphasizing the value of keeping a W-2 job as a financial safety net while building experience. They share personal stories around “house hacking,” early rental strategies, and creative ways to generate income before going all in. The conversation highlights the importance of mentors, strong local networks, and quality relationships over flashy online gurus. Ultimately, the episode underscores a give-and-take mindset—learn from those ahead of you, grow steadily, and send the elevator back down for others coming up behind you.