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What happens when a financial guy meets Internal Family Systems… and ends up sobbing in an IFS demo at Esalen? 😅
In this episode, I’m joined by Rick Kahler—financial planner + financial therapist who helped me (yes, as his willing guinea pig) meet my money parts, stop letting panic run the spreadsheet, and make more Self-led financial decisions.

We also talk about how entrepreneurs can stop letting the visionary run the company alone while the “controller” is duct-taped in the basement.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Rick stumbled into IFS (and immediately got humbled by the Ace of Spades demo)
• Why financial decisions are emotional decisions—and how IFS helps
• What “Self-led finances” actually feels like (with the eight C’s)
• How to work with money scripts without shaming yourself
• The entrepreneur trap: visionary on top, controller exiled
• Why resilience matters more than perfection (and why “fatal mistakes” aren’t always fatal)
• How Rick navigated selling a controlling interest in his company—and the grief of letting go
• Where to start if you want to meet your money parts (without spiraling)

Chapters

• 02:00 Rick’s IFS origin story (Esalen, “Schwartz guy,” and the demo that changed everything)
• 06:50 Why Rick didn’t initially see himself as a financial therapist
• 11:00 “Fraud” parts—yes, even for successful people
• 17:00 The lightbulb: IFS + financial therapy (and the guinea pig era)
• 20:40 What financial transformation can look like (spreadsheets, giving parts, saving parts)
• 25:45 Financial uncertainty in the collective + working with fear from the outside-in
• 36:00 Entrepreneurs: visionaries, controllers, and the E-Myth reality check
• 41:15 Resilience, mistakes, and staring bankruptcy in the face
• 44:35 Selling the business + getting unstuck at the “next level”
• 57:45 Where to start with money parts
• 01:03:00 Lightning round: Rick’s Self-energy song
• 01:07:00 How to work with Rick + resources

Links & Resources

• Rick’s financial therapy practice: Advanced Wellbeing
  Advanced Wellbeing Financial Therapy
• Rick’s blog / “Financial Awakenings”
  Kahler Financial
• Rick’s podcast: The Financial Therapy Podcast: It’s Not Just About the Money
  Financial Therapy Podcast
• Caitlan's website

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Cover Art by Kiara Opara

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EPISODE 100: "This was the year of realizing that being seen isn’t about doing more—it’s about feeling safe enough to stop abandoning yourself." -Caitlan

✨ JOIN UNDEFINED: Undefined is where Projectors, Manifestors & Reflectors finally build a business around their energy – and succeed because of it.
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In this milestone episode, Caitlan Siegenthaler reflects on what the last 100 conversations have actually been about: self-permission over self-improvement, nervous-system-led visibility, and the quiet work of becoming yourself without self-abandonment.

If you’ve been trying to fix yourself to be seen, this episode is your invitation to stop.

What You'll Learn:

• Why IFS and Human Design aren’t self-improvement tools
• What visibility looks like when your nervous system feels safe
• Why beginnings are about becoming, not doing
• How intuitive leadership actually forms
• What legacy really is (and what it isn’t)

10 Lessons from This Year’s Top 10 Episodes:

1. Reiki & IFS with Elizabeth Scott
2. Nodes & Past Lives with Sarah Temel
3. Return+: The Human Design of Being Seen
4. Return+: BTS of the Reading with Dr. Richard Schwartz
5. Return+: Evolving Beyond the Therapist Identity
6. The Legacy of Being Seen with Mao Beckett
7. Notes on Being Seen: What Visibility Really Means
8. Ditch SMART Goals: The Intuitive Way to Reach Your Goals
9. I Had to Be Quiet to Stay Safe with Jalon Johnson
10. Internal Family Systems & Human Design: The Ultimate Power Duo
    
    
11. Listen to Episode 99 of Return here
    
    

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Produced by Caitlan Siegenthaler
Cover Art by Kiara Opara

If you enjoyed this episode, share it with a friend, post it to your Instagram stories, and tag me. And if you really loved it, the best thank-you is a written review on Apple Podcasts or a comment on Spotify.

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Episode 99: Reflection, Reclamation & The Threshold of the Year of the Snake

It’s the 99th episode of Return (!!!) and in perfect alignment, we’re closing out our nine year cycle just as we step into a new one. In this reflective, ritual-like conversation, Caitlan unpacks the numerology of a nine year — the year of completion, shedding, composting, and clearing — and reflects on what she’s learned, who she became, and what she’s consciously leaving behind.

Inside, she shares her own roses + thorns in business and motherhood, how IFS + Human Design supported her through a year of deep transition, and invitations for you to reflect on your own nine-year cycle with journal prompts, parts work, and Human Design exploration.

If you’re craving closure, clarity, or a gentle remembrance of who you became this year, let this episode guide you back to yourself.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

• What a 9 year means in numerology + why 2025 felt so intense
• Reflection prompts to meet the version of you this year shaped
• How Caitlan used Human Design (4/6 profile) to build authentic connection
• The part she reclaimed through IFS — anger
• What she’s leaving behind, what she’s taking into the 1 year
• Roses + thorns from both business + motherhood
• Why Episode 99 marks a threshold into visibility, magnetism, and creative fire 🔥

Timestamps:

02:00 — 05:30 | What a nine year is & why 2025 carried shedding energy
06:00 — 09:45 | Reflection + journaling prompts for the nine year
10:00 — 13:00 | Caitlan’s IFS revelation — working with anger & unburdening
13:10 — 15:00 | Human Design experiments + being a 4/6 connector
15:10 — 17:40 | What she’s leaving behind + tarot messages
17:45 — 19:45 | What she’s bringing into 2026 — Queen of Wands energy
19:50 — 25:30 | Roses + thorns: business, motherhood, expansion
25:30 — 28:00 | Gratitude, becoming, completion + Episode 100 preview

Links & Resources:

• Try Return+ free for 7 days to access the full Return to Self Syllabus
• Join Undefined (starts January 20, 2026) — Projectors, Manifestors & Reflectors
• Book a Shifted Session (HD Reading + Integration)
• Last Year's Year in Review Podcast Episode

Thank you for 99 weeks of returning together — for listening, sharing, and witnessing this work as part of your own self-expression. Next week’s episode marks 100, the final of the year, a moment of pause, and a doorway into what comes next.

Come reflect, release, and rise with me.
See you there. ✨

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Produced by Caitlan Siegenthaler
Cover Art by Kiara Opara

If you enjoyed this episode, share it with a friend, post it to your Instagram stories, and tag me. And if you really loved it, the best thank-you is a written review on Apple Podcasts or a comment on Spotify.

That is a beautiful energetic exchange for Caitlan creating the show.