In this episode, we host Kevin De Liban, a US-based lawyer, advocate, and community organiser, whose work exposes the hidden ways artificial intelligence and automated systems shape the lives of vulnerable people.

Kevin takes us into the world of algorithmic decision-making, showing how predictive tools are already embedded in welfare, justice, and housing systems. He shares stories from his frontline legal practice, where families face life-changing consequences from opaque technologies they can’t see or challenge. For Kevin, these systems carry their own “strange intelligence”, one that quietly governs access to resources and opportunities, while remaining invisible to those it impacts most.

In this episode, we host Liz Mitchell MNZM—an iconic New Zealand fashion designer and materials specialist—whose deep-rooted connection to wool has sparked a powerful exploration of its creative and regenerative potential.

Liz speaks about the unique "intelligence" she feels within wool—the way it holds energy, interacts with other fibers, and carries the memory of its environment. Through storytelling and lived experience, Liz describes how working with wool has become a kind of ecological and creative gardening—an act of care, cultivation, and community. She shares her hopes for a future where small-scale local production, education, and cross-disciplinary collaboration with farmers, scientists, and artists help regenerate both the textile industry and our relationship with the land.

In this session, Jarred and Maggie discuss AI in business. Are we ready for AI? What are the issues? It explores business intelligence and the beginning of a series of conversations into the many facets of a fast-moving change process as AI is integrated into all elements of our business lives.