Episode 2.84

In this episode, Michael and Zach examine a foundational question: Is Mormonism a denomination of Christianity, or a distinct religion? The discussion moves beyond sincerity or moral character and focuses on theological definitions and historical continuity.

They begin by clarifying key terms—what constitutes historic, creedal Christianity, and what defines a denomination. From there, the conversation analyzes LDS primary sources, particularly on the doctrine of God, the nature of the Godhead, and the concept of monotheism. While Mormonism uses Christian vocabulary, it explicitly rejects Nicene Trinitarianism and affirms three distinct divine beings united in purpose rather than essence.

The episode also explores Joseph Smith’s restoration narrative, the claim of a Great Apostasy, and the logical implications of declaring historic Christian creeds “an abomination.” Further distinctions are examined in LDS teachings on pre-mortal existence, eternal marriage, exaltation, and the nature of salvation.

Key questions addressed include:

• What makes a group a “denomination” rather than a separate religion?

• Is shared terminology the same as shared theology?

• Can monotheism be redefined without altering Christianity’s foundation?

• How does the LDS restoration claim reshape the entire Christian narrative?

The conclusion is not rooted in polemics, but in doctrinal clarity: by its own authoritative teachings, Mormonism departs from historic Christianity at foundational points concerning God, Christ, and salvation. The disagreement is not secondary—it concerns the core of the faith itself.

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Episode 2.83

In this episode, Michael and Zach walk through Joshua 18–21, a section often dismissed as tedious land surveys but loaded with theological weight. As the conquest narrative slows, the focus shifts from battle scenes to boundary lines—yet the central theme remains unchanged: Yahweh keeps His promises.

Joshua 18 opens at Shiloh, where the tabernacle is established and the remaining tribes are confronted for their hesitation. Though the land has been subdued, Israel has grown slack in fully possessing what God has given. Through the casting of lots, the inheritance is formally distributed—Benjamin, Simeon, Zebulun, Issachar, Asher, Naphtali, and Dan—each territory marking tangible fulfillment of ancient covenant promises.

The episode highlights the structural bookends of this section: Caleb’s bold faith (Joshua 14), the hesitation of the Joseph tribes (Joshua 17), the sluggishness of the remaining seven tribes (Joshua 18), and finally Joshua’s quiet reward (Joshua 19). The contrast echoes the twelve spies: faith versus fear, obedience versus delay.

Joshua 20–21 then move to the “finishing touches” of the land. The Cities of Refuge reveal a profound theology of justice, mercy, and substitution—where freedom comes through the death of the high priest, pointing forward typologically to Christ. The Levites receive no territorial inheritance, yet are scattered throughout Israel as a reminder that worship and instruction remain central in a decentralized, kingless nation.

The episode culminates in Joshua 21:43–45—one of the theological high points of the book—declaring that not one word of the Lord’s promises failed. What appears mundane proves monumental. The dividing of the land is not administrative filler; it is covenant fulfillment in geographic form.

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Episode 2.82

In this episode, Michael and Zach examine the doctrine of baptism using William Lane Craig’s carefully defined taxonomy, focusing not on mode or tradition, but on the central theological question: what, if anything, does water baptism actually do?

The discussion begins by framing baptism as commanded, important, and normative for Christians—while also recognizing that disagreements over baptism, though real, are non-cardinal. From there, the episode walks through Craig’s two broad categories: the figuralist view, which sees baptism as symbolic only, and the realist view, which holds that saving realities are somehow present in the act itself.

Under the realist umbrella, three increasingly strong models are evaluated: occasionalism, instrumental causation, and proximate causation. Each is assessed for biblical coherence, theological consistency, and historical pressure—particularly the early church’s reliance on exceptions such as the thief on the cross, baptism of blood, and baptism of desire.

The episode then turns to Craig’s strongest exegetical argument from Acts, noting that water baptism and Spirit baptism never coincide in the narrative. This observation proves decisive in undermining all sacramental realist models, not merely the strongest versions. Infant baptism is also addressed, with attention to faith as a necessary prerequisite for baptism in the New Testament.

The episode concludes by articulating Craig’s positive position: salvation is by faith alone, while baptism stands as the ordained culmination of conversion—an act of obedience, public identification with Christ, and entry into the visible church. Baptism does not save, but those who are saved are called to be baptized.

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