BFF Fellow Marcus Thornton joins the Ben Franklin Fellowship Junto Podcast to discuss his experience challenging federal COVID vaccine mandates, the creation of Feds for Freedom, whistleblower protections, and the culture of institutional accountability inside the U.S. State Department.

Marcus Thornton is a career Foreign Service Officer, former Senior Advisor on the Secretary of State’s Policy Planning Staff, and former Chief of Staff at USAID.

Thornton shares firsthand details about litigation that reached the Supreme Court, allegations of retaliation within the Foreign Service, and proposals for reforming the diplomatic corps and federal hiring systems.

Topics include: • COVID mandate litigation for federal employees • Whistleblower protections and retaliation • Foreign Service culture and institutional reform • State Department accountability • Meritocracy and diplomatic recruitment • Feds for Freedom and civil service reform

Featuring: Phil Linderman and Marcus Thornton

The views expressed are those of the participants and do not reflect the official position of the U.S. government.

In this episode, BFF Chairman Phil Linderman sits down with BFF Fellow Jose Cardenas, a Washington, D.C.–based consultant with more than four decades of experience in the U.S. political process and inter-American relations.

Cardenas has held senior roles at the U.S. Department of State, the National Security Council, and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), where he served as Acting Assistant Administrator for Latin America and the Caribbean. He has also testified before both the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

This conversation explores:

U.S. policy toward Cuba and Venezuela Strategic challenges in the Western Hemisphere The future of American diplomacy in Latin America Key lessons from decades of foreign policy experience

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The Ben Franklin Fellowship’s JUNTO Podcast features a timely and in-depth conversation with Ambassador Michael Gfoeller — former U.S. Ambassador and senior foreign policy leader—on the future of American diplomacy in an era of renewed great power competition.

Drawing on decades of experience in the Foreign Service, Ambassador Gfoeller offers insight into the strategic challenges facing the United States, the evolving role of diplomacy, and the importance of advancing U.S. interests with clarity and purpose.

The discussion explores the intersection of diplomacy, national security, and economic statecraft, while also reflecting on the institutional strengths—and areas for reform—within the State Department. As the United States approaches its 250th anniversary, conversations like this underscore the importance of cultivating a new generation of diplomats grounded in experience, seriousness, and a clear understanding of America’s role in the world.