Though he would never own up to it, Andrew Kelly is one of the Four Horseman of Melbourne's specialty coffee industry.

Andrew is the Founder of Small Batch Coffee, a seminal Melbourne roastery and Sharesource, which sources coffee that ensures farmers financial sustainability and aims for better outcomes on farm.

The key contention of this podcast is how do we as an industry better communicate to consumers why buying ethically sourced coffee is a good thing. Have we been selling the message wrong? Have we been to prone to lecturing the public instead of having a better discourse?

Kirk and Andrew also discuss why being 'delusional' is very important for a young entrepreneur or anyone wanting to make a change in the world.

Also, does Melbourne make better Pizza than Italy?

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Scott Rao is the most recognised coffee roasting expert in the world. Through his consulting work he has helped countless coffee roasters to improve their roasting and day to day operations. The who's who of coffee all look up to him.

Kirk and Scott cater to roasters that are at the beginner, intermediate and advanced level of roasting, so if you roast coffee already or you want to learn, this is the best podcast you can listen to.

Scott and Kirk both tell some horror stories of workplaces they have had in previous years.

And has Scott become a co-ferment guy?

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WARNING! This podcast has nothing to do with coffee.

Pokemon is the most successful game/movie/merchandising franchise in the world by a long way, and in recent times that has gone to a whole new level.

In the podcast we are joined by Jonathan D'allessando of Card Bot AU, a company that sells cards through vending machines. What started as a hobby for his brother CJ, ended up becoming a thriving business that cannot stock their machines quick enough!

Regular listeners to this show know that Kirk LOVES Pokemon, so here is an opportunity to have some fun on a different topic.

So what caused the Pokemon card wars? And how will they end?

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