• 00:00 – Welcome and introduction to Jandita Zaki
• 02:40 – Overview of CA and its first principle: awareness brings change
• 04:55 – Ron Kurtz’s influence and the concept of “violence” in therapy
• 07:20 – Jandita’s personal experience discovering nonviolence in CA training
• 12:05 – Filling vs holding space: therapist discomfort and the urge to help
• 19:10 – Sitting with silence vs holding silence in session
• 23:30 – Resistance, duality, and how advice-giving creates tension
• 25:50 – Helping interns move from fixing to presence
• 28:10 – Mindfulness as repression vs mindfulness as presence
• 32:40 – Sitting with emotions without promising outcomes
• 37:05 – Nonviolent language: “I want you to” vs invitational phrasing
• 41:40 – Co-regulation, childhood experiences, and emotions as involuntary
• 46:10 – Cultural perspectives on emotions like anger
• 50:40 – Eurocentric therapy vs CA’s flexible building blocks of experience
• 55:40 – How CA helps clients discover their own inner wisdom
• 58:00 – How to connect with Jandita and resources on Constructed Awareness

• 00:00 — Introduction to the episode and guest
• 02:00 — Phil’s academic and clinical background
• 05:00 — Tyler explains the three core principles of CA
• 08:30 — Mental, sensation, and external orientations explained
• 12:00 — What is an emotion? Constructed vs classical views
• 15:00 — The Schachter–Singer experiment and the two-factor theory
• 18:00 — How CA’s third building block emerged from clinical work
• 21:00 — Cultural differences in emotion (e.g., awe, loneliness)
• 24:00 — Snake story: a real-world example of building block activation
• 28:30 — CA’s nonviolence: not trying to change clients' emotions
• 31:45 — The “noise gate” metaphor and sensory cutoff
• 34:45 — Social, historical, and political forces that shape orientation
• 36:45 — Orientation and empathy: what we can and can’t control
• 39:55 — Emotions as concepts: storm and spaghetti metaphors
• 43:30 — Emotion history: Shakespeare, grief, and evolving language
• 47:00 — Fear vs curiosity and how breaking emotion into parts helps
• 50:00 — CA’s contribution: naming the building blocks, not just the concept
• 53:00 — Limitations of existing theories of emotion
• 55:30 — Final reflections on the evolving language of emotion
• 1:02:45 — Closing thoughts: There’s more to emotion than a word
• 1:04:00 — Where to learn more about CA and connect with the guests

Key Moments & Timestamps: 00:00–02:00 – Intro and guest introductions Tyler introduces Jamie and Christina and sets up the conversation as a three-way dialogue among different orientation styles. 02:00–04:30 – Overview of Constructed Awareness theory Tyler explains the three building blocks (thoughts, sensations, external senses) and the CA principles. 06:08–09:03 – Orientation patterns in clients The group discusses which orientations are most common and how these patterns show up in their practices. 09:03–13:05 – Jamie on sensation orientation and being a highly sensitive person Jamie shares how CA helped her trust her embodied experience and manage empathic overwhelm. 17:52–20:31 – Jamie on how she regulates through physical comfort She describes using weighted blankets, ice water, and sensory tuning to stay grounded. 21:38–24:10 – Jamie on movement and nonverbal expression Jamie talks about how shaking, vocal vibration, and physical release help regulate emotion. 25:02–27:00 – Tyler on the contrast between mental and sensation orientation Tyler shares how moving out of his mind and into his body during CA practices changed his perspective on regulation. 27:17–30:36 – Christina on external orientation and people-pleasing Christina discusses how being externally oriented led to disconnection from her inner world and how CA helped her return to it. 30:36–33:52 – Christina on disembodiment and reclaiming her body She explains how being present with sensations helped her heal from chronic illness and reconnect with herself. 35:42–37:44 – Tyler’s story of becoming aware of his environment for the first time He recounts a powerful moment of shifting from mental to external orientation. 38:22–43:04 – Attachment patterns and how orientation styles develop The group reflects on how childhood experiences shape which building blocks we cling to. 44:06–46:35 – Chronic illness and orientation Jamie and Christina describe how CA has helped clients reduce pain and Jamie shares her own story of resolving chronic migraines. 46:35–53:44 – “Talking With Your Hands” and building a sensation vocabulary Jamie and Christina explain how describing internal sensations using tactile language supports regulation and clarity. 55:17–57:15 – Jamie and Tyler on the difference between drowning in sensation and observing it Jamie reflects on how the building blocks support each other and allow for true emotional presence. 57:15–58:57 – Wrapping up: CA, tuning, and how awareness leads to change Tyler shares a powerful story of how CA helped him break a conflict pattern and respond differently through awareness. 01:01:07–01:03:12 – Where to learn more and closing remarks The guests share how to contact them, and Tyler announces upcoming CA trainings and CE offerings.