Andy sits down with SB, CEO and co-founder of Veera, to unpack a bold attempt at one of crypto's oldest and most stubborn problems: making it usable for normal people. From launching BlackBerrys and building early mobile ad tech, to challenging Netflix with an Asian streaming platform and exiting a travel startup, SB's winding entrepreneurial path now lands squarely in on-chain finance. The conversation traces how Veera is positioning itself as a true crypto neobank — not just a wallet with a card — and why user experience, not yield or hype, will decide whether crypto ever really breaks into the mainstream.

SB starts by framing Veera as a product-led response to crypto's stalled adoption curve. Despite hundreds of millions of internet users globally, crypto still lives in the "tens of millions" club, largely because it's too complex for everyday users. Veera's core idea is simple but ambitious: your mother should be able to swap tokens, stake assets, or move funds without knowing what a bridge, seed phrase, or protocol is. That philosophy has driven Veera's focus on passkeys instead of seed phrases, simplified onboarding, and heavy use of abstraction to hide blockchain complexity behind familiar, intuitive design. SB positions himself as a "fresh eyes" builder in Web3 — someone who didn't grow up native to crypto and therefore isn't blind to how broken the experience still is.

Geographically, Veera is betting on the same adoption arc the internet followed: emerging markets first, then deeper penetration in developed economies. SB points to Latin America, parts of Asia, Africa, and the Middle East as the next major growth zones, where access to global financial products is still limited. From there, he lays out Veera's four-pillar model: Invest, Earn, Spend, and Borrow. That includes tokenized gold, upcoming tokenized equities for users who've never had realistic access to global stocks, multi-chain yield in a single interface, a crypto prepaid card with tens of thousands already waitlisted, and a longer-term push into on-chain lending using financial identity and credit scoring. The pitch is clear: a full-stack, crypto-native bank rather than a TradFi app with a blockchain sticker slapped on top.

The conversation closes on the bigger picture — institutional capital, regulation, and what actually moves the needle for mass adoption. SB sees the market maturing, citing massive liquidation events that no longer crash the system as a sign of growing resilience and institutional presence. But for consumers, he's blunt: UX is still the real bottleneck. Yields exist, volatility is slowly compressing, but the experience remains "so, so broken." In the rapid-fire hot take round, he plants his flag as a multi-chain opportunist, calls Ethereum his firmest conviction, and predicts stablecoins will become the basic financial rails of the next decade. It's a forward-looking, product-first take on a future where on-chain finance doesn't feel like crypto anymore — it just feels like money.

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John Hargrave, CEO of Media Shower and author of The Intelligent Crypto Investor, joins the show to unpack a radically calm, Buffett-inspired approach to crypto investing. From wiring money to Belarus to buy Bitcoin in 2013 to nearly losing his business in the 2018 crypto winter, John shares how hard-earned wisdom led him to a disciplined, diversified strategy that blends traditional assets with a carefully sized slice of high-quality crypto — and why this model has quietly outperformed traditional portfolios over the past several years.

John traces his origin story from early Bitcoin believer to battle-tested investor, recounting the moment he and his wife went "all in" on crypto during the 2017 bull run — and the brutal reality check that followed when the market collapsed. That near-death experience for his marketing business reshaped his philosophy around risk, leading him to embrace diversification over maximalism. The result: a framework that treats crypto not as a lottery ticket or ideological crusade, but as a serious asset class that earns its place alongside stocks and bonds.
At the core of John's book is a simple but contrarian portfolio model: a traditional 60/30-style mix of stocks and bonds, plus up to 10% allocated to high-quality crypto assets like Bitcoin and Ethereum. He argues this small slice has historically captured outsized upside while strictly limiting downside risk — even in worst-case scenarios. John also takes aim at financial advisors for being "a decade behind," suggesting everyday investors can now build and manage this strategy themselves with the right tools and long-term mindset.
Beyond numbers, John brings storytelling and big ideas into the mix, drawing inspiration from legendary investors like Warren Buffett, Ben Graham, and Bill Miller to apply value-investing principles to blockchain projects. He shares his bold conviction that crypto and AI represent unevenly distributed futures — and that a global digital currency is not a question of "if," but "when." The conversation closes on sci-fi, Asimov, and the long arc of technological change, framing crypto not just as an investment, but as a bet on the architecture of tomorrow's financial system.

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Andy sits down with Dave Sutter, CEO and co-founder of OpenTrade, to unpack why stablecoins are rapidly becoming the most important financial primitive in crypto — and arguably the missing link between digital assets and traditional finance.

Dave traces his journey from building early Bitcoin wallets and launching one of the first dollar-backed stablecoins, through years working with major regulated institutions, to founding OpenTrade in 2023. His core thesis is simple but bold: stablecoins are no longer a niche crypto product — they are evolving into internet-native dollars used by hundreds of millions of people worldwide for real payments, savings, and cross-border commerce

The conversation dives deep into OpenTrade's role as institutional-grade "yield-as-a-service" infrastructure for stablecoins, enabling fintechs, neobanks, and platforms to embed yield directly into their apps without building complex financial plumbing themselves. Dave explains how OpenTrade allows users to earn yield across a wide spectrum — from ultra-safe U.S. Treasuries and money market funds, through higher-yield bonds and private credit, to delta-neutral crypto strategies and curated DeFi markets — all while keeping funds liquid and accessible. This shift, he argues, flips the old crypto narrative on its head: stablecoins are no longer just a parking spot between trades, but a competitive alternative to bank savings accounts that offer better yields with fully reserved, transparent structures.

Zooming out, Dave makes the case that stablecoins are not just a technological upgrade but a reinvention of money itself — permissionless digital cash that anyone with an internet connection can hold, move, and earn on. He points to growing regulatory clarity, adoption by giants like Visa, PayPal, and Stripe, and even banking lobby warnings about deposit flight as evidence of how disruptive this shift really is. His bold conviction: stablecoin market capitalization will exceed $10 trillion within the next decade. The episode wraps with rapid-fire hot takes on Bitcoin vs multi-chain futures, the convergence of DeFi and real-world finance, and a shared love of science fiction — fitting for a conversation about a financial future that, as Dave puts it, is already here but not evenly distributed.

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Andy sits down with Kanny Lee, CEO and co-founder of SecondSwap, to explore one of crypto's most under-discussed structural problems: liquidity for locked and vested tokens. With a background spanning two decades in Big Four forensic accounting and early institutional crypto OTC trading in Hong Kong, Kanny brings a rare blend of TradFi discipline and on-chain realism to the conversation.

Kanny explains why crypto's evolution now demands proper secondary market infrastructure—something traditional finance has always relied on, but Web3 has largely ignored. SecondSwap is building a decentralized, on-chain marketplace that allows locked token positions to be traded without breaking vesting schedules, inflating supply, or undermining token integrity. By operating directly at the smart-contract layer, SecondSwap enables partial exits, discounted entry for new investors, and real liquidity where none previously existed.

The discussion digs into "mid-life markets," token dump cycles, and the difference between superficial liquidity driven by short-term speculation versus sustainable liquidity built on conviction and patience. Kanny makes the case that healthy secondary markets could be a missing piece behind the stalled altcoin cycle—and that better liquidity design benefits founders, early investors, and new entrants alike.

The conversation wraps with rapid-fire hot takes on Bitcoin maximalism, real-world assets, AI, privacy chains, and whether another alt season is still possible.

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Vijit Katta is the CEO and co-founder at Tria, a self-custodial neobank that unifies spending, trading, and earning across all chains — without bridges, gas, or custodians.

Vijit explains Tria's core vision as building both a protocol layer and a consumer layer that abstracts away blockchain complexity for users and businesses. He describes how the fragmentation of chains, gas fees, bridges, failed transactions, and security risks have slowed mass adoption, and how Tria's infrastructure removes these friction points across Bitcoin, EVM chains, Solana, and beyond. This foundation enabled the launch of Tria's consumer-facing product, a self-custodial neo-bank experience where users can spend, trade, and earn without needing to understand the underlying blockchain mechanics.

The conversation explores Tria's early traction, including more than 50,000 users in its closed beta generating close to $100 million in transaction volume across spending, swaps, and bridges within just three months. Vijit attributes this growth to Tria's ability to seamlessly bridge real-world payments and on-chain assets, allowing users to spend thousands of supported tokens directly via cards without manual off-ramps or asset conversions. The emphasis is on maintaining full self-custody while delivering a user experience comparable to traditional Web2 banking apps.

Vijit also discusses Tria's intent-based infrastructure, which routes transactions across multiple paths to reduce failure rates and improve reliability in a multi-chain environment. Rather than relying on single bridges or interoperability layers, Tria processes user intent and dynamically fulfills transactions through the most reliable route, ensuring users receive the outcome they want without being exposed to technical failures.

The episode covers Tria's card offerings, including virtual and physical cards across different tiers, each unlocking varying cashback rates, trading fee discounts, and access to curated DeFi yield strategies. Vijit explains how Tria aims to surface opportunities that are typically inaccessible or too complex for everyday users, while aligning rewards and benefits with long-term usage rather than speculation.

Vijit outlines his conviction that blockchain-based payment rails will ultimately replace legacy systems and envisions Tria becoming a primary bank account for millions across emerging markets within the next decade. He also touches on emerging developments such as agent-driven payments, where AI systems initiate transactions on behalf of users, and reflects on the uneven distribution of technological progress. The episode concludes with Vijit sharing his optimism for borderless, accessible finance and his belief that seamless on-chain banking is closer than most people realise.

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Kam Punia is the Founder and CEO of Pixion Games, the London based studio behind Fableborne and the $POWER gaming ecosystem.

In this episode, Kam Punia, founder and CEO of Pixion Games, shares his background as a long-time game industry veteran and explains how that experience shaped the studio's approach to building competitive, mobile-first games. He reflects on lessons learned from working on large global franchises such as Yu-Gi-Oh!, including how to scale game universes, balance progression, and design systems that keep players engaged over long periods of time. Kam also discusses the broader state of the gaming market and why mobile remains the dominant platform for global player hours.

The conversation focuses on Pixion Games' flagship title, Fableborne, a mobile action RPG that blends fast-paced combat with strategic base building and asynchronous PvP gameplay. Kam explains the core mechanics of the game, including hero collection, kingdom defence, and raid-based progression, as well as the fantasy setting of the Shatterlands. He outlines how Fableborne is designed to be accessible for casual players while offering deeper strategic layers for more competitive audiences.

Kam discusses how Web3 elements are integrated into Fableborne in a way that supports gameplay rather than replacing it. He explains Pixion's philosophy of optional blockchain participation, where players can enjoy the full game experience without needing to interact with wallets or tokens. The episode explores how Web3 can enable ownership, progression systems, and long-term incentives, while keeping onboarding friction low for traditional gamers.

The discussion covers Pixion's partnerships and ecosystem support, including collaborations with infrastructure providers and investors that help power live operations, scaling, and community engagement. Kam shares insights into how Pixion thinks about player trust, controlled economies, and sustainable reward systems as part of building a long-lasting game.

Finally, Kam looks ahead to the future of gaming, outlining why competitive, mobile-first experiences with strong live-ops foundations are likely to lead the next wave of innovation. He explains how community-driven content, evolving game worlds, and optional digital ownership can coexist with proven free-to-play models, and why experienced game designers will play a critical role in shaping the next generation of hybrid games.

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Florian Klein is the Commercial Lead at Bitpanda's Web3 team. Bitpanda, one of Europe's most regulated digital asset platforms (7M+ users, multiple MiCA licences), is expanding into Web3 through Vision ($VSN), its ecosystem token for compliant tokenisation and DeFi infrastructure.

Vision is Bitpanda's unified Web3 ecosystem designed to make decentralised technologies accessible through a familiar, compliant, and integrated framework. The initiative brings together a suite of products; one wallet, one protocol, one chain, and one token, intended to create a consistent experience for users exploring on-chain finance.

By combining intuitive interfaces with regulatory alignment, Vision aims to bridge traditional finance and the decentralised web in a way that supports long-term adoption. The ecosystem is built around several core components: the Bitpanda DeFi Wallet, Vision Protocol, Vision Chain, Bitpanda Launchpad, and the Vision Token (VSN). The DeFi Wallet provides non-custodial access with features such as smart onboarding, sponsored and discounted gas fees for eligible actions, multichain swaps, staking and an Engage section coming soon, allowing users to earn monthly rewards through collecting XP by interacting with Web3.

Vision Protocol acts as an interoperability layer that aggregates liquidity and routing across multiple chains and major DEX aggregators, while Vision Chain is presented as an Ethereum-based Layer-2 with compliance tools suitable for tokenisation and institutional on-chain activity. The VSN token serves as the unifying token that powers rewards, governance, and participation across the ecosystem.

Staking VSN enables users to earn rewards, and in the future, owners of VSN may access early launchpad rounds, participate in governance, and benefit from Bitpanda's loyalty programmes. Its tokenomics include a dynamic emission model that will be governed by token holders, a distribution structure designed to prioritise circulating supply and revenue flows, such as buybacks and programme funding, managed by the Vision Web3 Foundation. Together, these components form what Bitpanda describes as a connected Web3 environment where user activity reinforces the growth and utility of the network.

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Canopy Network powers the peer-to-peer launchpad for new application-specific chains. Built on a recursive architecture, applications bootstrap each other into independence, forming an unstoppable web of utility and security.

Canopy Network is a blockchain project designed to help teams build their own independent blockchains that are connected to a wider network. Instead of forcing many applications to share the same chain, Canopy allows each application to run on its own dedicated chain while still being part of a shared ecosystem. This structure is intended to give applications more control over how they operate, including performance, rules, and economics.

The network is built so that these individual chains, called Nested Chains, can connect to one another and share security and resources when needed. Canopy provides a common framework and base network that helps new chains launch and operate without relying on centralized services. Participants such as validators and delegators help secure the network by staking the Canopy token, which supports the operation of active chains.

Canopy Network aims to make it easier for developers to launch scalable, independent blockchains without the limitations of shared infrastructure. The project's stated goal is to support a growing ecosystem of applications that can operate autonomously while still benefiting from being part of a broader decentralized network, enabling long-term growth and flexibility for blockchain-based products and services.

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