Why does it sometimes feel like pursuing God’s call to multiply disciples comes at the expense of our intimacy and abiding with Jesus? In this interview, David Cervanka, a movement practitioner and former team leader in Japan and strategy coordinator for Greater Austin Mission Society, shares the lessons he has learned from God through a season of burnout and restoration in the Lord. What does it look like to pursue movement in the timing of the Holy Spirit? How do we make God’s love for us our primary joy over visible fruit in ministry? How does loving our families and our children flow into multiplication work? How do we pursue great works for God without losing our souls?

What does it look like to make disciples in the workplace? In this conversation with Ramon Mayo, we explore how God can turn setbacks—like losing a job—into opportunities for greater fruitfulness. Ramon shares powerful stories and practical insights on recognizing everyday opportunities, listening to the Holy Spirit, and living authentically as a follower of Jesus at work. From using break times intentionally to letting even casual jokes spark spiritual conversations, this episode is packed with wisdom for anyone who wants to integrate faith and work. Discover why striving often produces little fruit, but surrendering to God’s leading opens doors and hearts.

What if church wasn’t a place—but everyday obedience to Jesus lived out by ordinary people? In this episode, we interview Lucas Pulley, the executive director of the Underground Network. we explore the Underground movement, a global network of 100+ microchurches—worshiping communities sent to obey God’s calling, multiply disciples, and pursue justice among the poor and oppressed. We challenge the idea that speed and impact come from gathering bigger crowds, and instead show how lasting multiplication happens when every believer faithfully obeys their calling over time and the whole network bears fruit together. We also discuss how a simple, minimum definition of church empowers ordinary people to take bold risks for Jesus, how justice and antiracism are woven into the DNA of microchurch life, and how networked microchurches help one another persevere through shared leadership, encouragement, and mutual support—along with practical best practices for getting started.