Over the past 160 episodes, two themes that have appeared repeatedly feel as relevant and urgent as ever are 1) the pros and dehumanizing cons of technology and 2) approaching suffering in the human experience. In this episode, we are excited to bring back a panel of notable past guests to discuss the interplay between medicine, suffering, technology, and the human experience.

We are joined by historian Christine Rosen, PhD, philosopher Mikolaj Slawkowski-Rode, PhD, and palliative care physician Sunita Puri, MD. Rosen is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute whose work is focused on American history, society and culture, technology and culture, and feminism. Slawkowski-Rode is an assistant professor of philosophy at the University of Warsaw and research fellow at the University of Oxford with a current emphasis on the philosophy of science and religion. Dr. Puri is a palliative care physician, associate professor at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine, and author of the critically acclaimed book That Good Night (2019).

As a panel, we consider a prominent aspect of the unwritten curriculum of medicine: how medicine often considers suffering and sorrow to be fixable and their eradication to be a metric of medical success. We explore ways digital technology can make our lives easier without making them better, and the pressing need to define and defend the (non-digital) human experience. We propose that the goal is not to eradicate all suffering, but to reduce needless suffering without denying the forms that accompany love, growth, and moral responsibility. When suffering is treated as an intolerable defect, we can become preoccupied with self-protection and less available to one another. The first and most important gift a caregiver can give is their undivided attention and the biggest mistake we can make in medicine is turning away from suffering. Finally, we ponder if for both patients and physicians, life, in the end, is meant to be a mystery.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

6:37 – Unlearning preconceived perspectives on suffering, technology, and human experience.

13:08 – Engaging with digital technology critically instead of presuming that technological progress is inherently good.

19:28 – Suffering as an irradicable and sometimes necessary element of the human condition.

27:50 – Helping young terminal patients grapple with their diagnosis as a palliative care doctor.

36:36 – How the pursuit of immortality can lead to moral sickness.

47:08 – How digital technologies are inciting a collective disembodiment from reality.

53:15 – Practices that will positively impact the modern lived experience.

Explore our guests’ past episodes on The Doctor’s Art:

Human Experience in A Digital World | Christine Rosen, PhD

A Philosophy of Grief | Mikolaj Slawkowski-Rode, PhD

The Beauty of Impermanence | Sunita Puri, MD

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Most medical encounters are structured as transactions. The patient comes in with a specific complaint, the medical expert identifies a discrete problem, and a specific intervention is prescribed.

But at the heart of a medical encounter is a story. When a patient comes in with a medical problem, the problem cannot be disentangled from their life’s narrative — doing so risks hollowing out the essence of what it means to care for another person.

Our guest on this episode is award-winning author, and primary care physician Suzanne Koven, MD. Following the completion of her residency at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Dr. Koven joined the faculty at Harvard Medical School and practiced primary care medicine at Massachusetts General for 32 years. In 2019, she became the inaugural Writer in Residence at Mass General. Her writings have been published broadly—including in The Boston Globe, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet, and The New Yorker. As a teacher and public speaker, she highlights the relationship between literature and medicine, and is a powerful advocate for female medical trainees.

In this episode, Dr. Koven shares her journey to medicine at a time when few women were represented in the field and why she finds her undergraduate English classes to be more relevant to her clinical work than her science classes. We discuss narrative medicine, its value to patients and physicians alike, and how the modern healthcare system struggles to value the patient story. Finally, Dr. Koven leaves us with her advice for up-and-coming trainees: find a place in medicine where you can be yourself – for your own good and for your patients’.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

3:00 - Dr. Koven’s motivations for going into primary care medicine

15:49 - The impact that Dr. Koven’s English degree has had on her approach to medicine

19:36 - What narrative medicine is

24:34 - What is lost when human connection and human story are deprioritized within the practice of medicine

31:15 - The benefits doctors experience when cultivating an appreciation for the arts

37:21 - How gender representation in medicine has shaped Dr. Koven’s experience as a physician

42:54 - The need for the culture of medicine to adapt to changing demographics in the medical workforce

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Dr. Bryant Lin is a primary care physician, educator, and researcher at Stanford University. In 2018, he founded CARE – the Center for Asian Health Research and Education. In 2023, CARE began a focused research effort investigating lung cancer in non-smoking Asians. In 2024, Dr. Lin was diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer, having never smoked in his life.

After his diagnosis, Dr. Lin sprung into action. He began receiving care from Dr. Heather Wakelee – a Stanford oncologist specializing in lung cancer. Dr Wakelee is the Deputy Director of the Stanford Cancer Institute, the Division Chief of Medical Oncology, and a leader in the International Association for the Study of Lung Cancer. In this episode, we are privileged to be joined by both Dr. Lin and his oncologist, Dr. Wakelee.

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Lin describes the experience of receiving and living with a diagnosis that has been life changing for both him and his family. He details his remarkable efforts to leverage his diagnosis for the good of patients and rising medical professionals — and explains how spiritual practices have helped sustain him through this difficult time. Dr. Wakelee shares her approach to first visits with patients facing daunting cancer diagnoses, how she approaches grief, and the unique privilege and challenge of treating a colleague. Together, the doctor and his physician explore the value of hope in cancer, the dangers of false hope, and the importance of maximizing meaning in life — however much time is left.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

2:50 - Dr. Lin’s experience of being diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer despite having never smoked

14:20 - Dr. Wakelee’s approach to first visits with newly diagnosed lung cancer patients

25:35 - Dr. Lin’s experience of shifting from the mindset of “doctor” to the mindset of “patient”

30:30 - How a doctor’s messaging can affect the patient’s outlook on their diagnosis

43:00 - The common themes prevalent across religions and spiritual orientations that support patients in the navigation of serious illness

50:24 - Advice to doctors for finding deeper meaning in medicine

Listen to Dr. Lin’s first appearance on The Doctor’s Art.

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