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The Double Win

The Double Win

Written by: Michael Hyatt & Megan Hyatt-Miller
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Work-life balance isn’t a myth—it’s a mission. At The Double Win Podcast we believe that ambitious, high-growth individuals can experience personal and professional fulfillment simultaneously. Hosted by the creators of the Full Focus Planner, Michael Hyatt and Megan Hyatt Miller, The Double Win Podcast is your go-to resource for unlocking secrets to productivity, wellness, and work-life balance.

The Double Win Podcast features insightful weekly conversations with thought leaders, executives, and entrepreneurs sharing fascinating personal stories and actionable ideas for balancing professional success with personal well-being. Whether you're looking for motivation to achieve your goals or strategies to harmonize your career and life, The Double Win Podcast provides the perspectives and tools you need.

Michael and Megan focus on the nine domains of life—body, mind, and spirit, love, family, community, money, work, and hobbies—offering practical advice to help you thrive. Discover how to integrate purposeful productivity and overall wellness into your daily routine, stay motivated, and experience a life of joy and significance. Hit subscribe and embark on your journey to winning at work and succeeding at life.



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  • BRAD STULBERG: The Heart of Excellence

    BRAD STULBERG: The Heart of Excellence
    May 13 2026
    Brad Stulberg is a researcher, writer, and coach focused on performance and sustainable excellence. In this conversation, he makes the case that excellence isn't primarily a performance strategy, but a virtue. He underscores that we’re wired to pursue our values and that the work we shape also shapes us in return. In a world obsessed with optimization, speed, and delegation, he advocates for craftsmanship, end-to-end ownership, and practicing the vulnerability required to stay close to our work and give it our all.Memorable Quotes“I think at the zenith, at the peak of excellence, we get those kinds of moments where our thinking mind is no longer on and we are just going completely by feel—moving forward, taking the next best step.”“We are very much a striving species. So over the last decade, what's become a central question of mine is: How do we reconcile this need for groundedness and this foundation of presence with our hardwiring, which is striving?”“No robot can give me the feeling of what it's like to get a heavy weight to move off the ground. No robot can give me the feeling of working really, really hard, grinding away at a paragraph, and then finally getting the right turn of phrase… In an increasingly digital age, I think we've got to protect things that help us feel alive and connected.”“I define ‘zombie burnout’ not as a result of doing too much, but actually as a result of not doing enough of things that light you up and make you feel alive.”“Far too often in rote achievement culture, we only think about ourselves working toward a goal. And what we don't realize is that our goal is shaping our character… Every action we take, we are shaping our character… We're stamping upon ourselves the person that we wanna be.”“The people that we admire most are all try-hards because you cannot be your best at anything without making yourself vulnerable, risking failure, and trying hard… The things that you care about are going to break your heart because they're not always gonna go your way. But I argue that the benefits of all the richness and texture and satisfaction you get from giving things your all is big enough to hold the heartbreak.”“You want to make sure that you are keeping the main thing the main thing, and you are doing the main thing. I think that it just comes down to asking yourself, ‘What is your craft?’ And by definition, your craft should be something that you are skilled in and that you see end-to-end.”Key TakeawaysExcellence is a Virtue. Every pursuit shapes the person doing it. The marathon isn't just a goal you're working toward; the marathon is working on you. Giving something your all is for the sake of performance and character.Burnout Isn’t Just an Hours Problem. Burnout can be a quantity problem of working too many hours. But “zombie burnout” is a quality problem arising from doing too little of what actually lights you up. We need work that aligns with our sense of autonomy, meaning, and competence.Excellence Requires Four Stages. Research suggests that arriving at excellence requires four stages: Unconscious incompetence → conscious incompetence → conscious competence → unconscious competence. We can’t shortcut effortful trying, doubt, and setbacks.Excellence Requires Intimacy. Masters must be up close and personal with their work, refusing to engage in distractions or shortchange their effort. Exercising excellence means risking vulnerability, failure, and even heartbreak—believing the satisfaction is worth it.Don’t Delegate Your Craft. Work deeply tied to your identity (as a leader, creator, or parent) is yours to own end-to-end. Handing it off to another person or to AI undercuts your ability to shape the work and its ability to shape you. Figure out what’s uniquely yours and don’t let go.ResourcesThe Way of Excellence by Brad StulbergMaster of Change by Brad StulbergThe Practice of Groundedness by Brad StulbergPeak Performance by Brad Stulberg and Steve Magnessbradstulberg.comThe Growth Equation PodcastWatch on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/cHsPrWehFeAThis episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound
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    56 mins
  • HENRY CLOUD: How to Arrive at Your Desired Future

    HENRY CLOUD: How to Arrive at Your Desired Future
    May 5 2026

    Getting where you want to go requires five essential elements—and we’re all missing one or two, usually without realizing it. In this episode, Michael and Joel sit down with clinical psychologist and bestselling author Dr. Henry Cloud, to discuss his new book Your Desired Future. If you're working hard and still stuck or headed off course, this conversation will show you where the breakdown is happening and what to do about it.


    Memorable Quotes

    1. “We're the only [species] that can literally see a future state that does not exist today, and then organize our three things. We have basically our time, our energy, and our talents into making that happen.”
    2. “We create teams, we create businesses, we create plans in our own image. Which means: we're wired a certain way, we have certain strengths and certain weaknesses, and we've done things in a certain way. We just take the next one and double click on that icon.”
    3. “We always think somebody is in coaching because they're struggling. But the highest performers are the ones that use coaches the most and utilize them the best… We feel things from our experience, but we need other eyes.”
    4. “The first thing to realize is nothing happens without accountability. Nothing. What is basic accountability? The etymology means ‘to answer to a trust.’… This is my role, and we're trusting each other to do what our part is to make this happen. It's a very positive thing.”
    5. “Problems unaddressed become patterns. Patterns become deeply ingrained. It's like tributaries of water outta your gutter. It's not gonna go where it's supposed to.”


    Key Takeaways

    1. The Five Essentials Are Non-Negotiable. Vision, talent, strategy, accountability, and adaptability aren't a framework you can pick and choose from. Every one of them has to be present for something to go from here to there.
    2. Share the Load to Hit All Five. You don’t have to master every domain. Build a network where every component is covered. Whether mentors, coaches, well-connected friends, or teammates wired differently, other people are always essential to our success.
    3. Stop Hiring in Your Own Image. Leaders naturally gravitate toward people who think, work, and lead the way they do. The result is a team with the same blind spots, the same strengths, and the same gaps—amplified.
    4. Accountability Is for Partnership. Feedback exists to get us where we said we wanted to go. When negative associations with the word pop up, remind yourself that accountability supports shared trust. It’s the root of partnership.
    5. Early Intervention Changes Trajectories. Small course corrections are easy. Patterns are hard. Once a problem becomes a repeated behavior, it gets into the wiring of our minds and organizations. Spot where you’re starting to drift and shift.


    Resources

    • Your Desired Future by Dr. Henry Cloud
    • Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud
    • The Power of the Other by Dr. Henry Cloud
    • Boundaries by Dr. Henry Cloud
    • Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara


    Watch on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/soLMxYIfDr0


    This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound
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    1 hr and 6 mins
  • EVE RODSKY: Creating Better Balance at Home

    EVE RODSKY: Creating Better Balance at Home
    Apr 29 2026

    Even couples committed to a true, fair partnership can fracture under the weight of an invisible kind of work that almost always goes unacknowledged. In this episode, Megan and Joel sit down with Harvard-trained lawyer and bestselling author Eve Rodsky to talk about the reasons couples end up carrying unequal loads, and how ownership and accountability can help partners end cycles of resentment and defensiveness and move into trust. If you’re ready to feel like you’re on the same team again, this episode is for you.


    Memorable Quotes

    1. “At the time, we had no system for the home. We were using the three most toxic words that anyone can use for a relationship with kids: We were ‘figuring it out.’”
    2. “Fair Play is a system to restore accountability and trust, and the way you do that is by using very, very simple organizational principles… It has boundaries, systems, and communication.”
    3. “How do you fix that dynamic of somebody who's overwhelmed and somebody who's lost psychological safety in the home? There's only one way and it's ownership. That's it. You restore accountability and trust through ownership.”
    4. “There's only one scale that you'll learn in organizational management. There's trust over here, and guess what's on the other end? Control… The more you inch over to control, the more those people don't wanna be in that organization.”
    5. “We have to treat the home the same as we would treat any other practice. You're not going to gain muscle without continuing repetitive exercise. This is a muscle and a practice. And so what I would say is: there's no failing at the practice. There's just coming back to the table.”
    6. “It's helpful not to frame it like: ‘You totally suck and you need to get it together or else.’ But just if you frame it like: ‘I need you.’ Like, this is a two person job to run this enterprise called our family, and it’s the most important work we're probably ever gonna do.”


    Key Takeaways

    1. Your Home Is a Complex Organization. A family has all the complexity of any workplace, but almost none of the structure. Applying basic organizational principles—ownership, accountability, clear roles—changes the entire dynamic of how a household runs.
    2. The Mental Load Is the Missing Variable. Most conversations about domestic fairness only count visible tasks. But the real imbalance lives in the invisible work: the conceiving, planning, and anticipating that happens before anyone lifts a finger. Until that's counted, the scales will never balance.
    3. "Figuring It Out" Doesn’t Work. When couples default to winging it, the work doesn't disappear. It defaults. And research in 27 countries shows it almost always defaults to the woman. It’s the predictable outcome of having no system at all.
    4. Ownership is Beginning to End. Helping with a task isn't the same as owning it. True ownership means handling the conception, planning, and execution (CPE) together. When partners only show up for execution, the load stays lopsided, even when everyone is trying.
    5. Trust and Control Are on a Seesaw. In the absence of trust, people resort to control, and both sides of that dynamic are miserable. The way back is agreed upon standards and ownership that creates space for partners to carry through and allows for true load-sharing.
    6. Fair Play Is a Practice. Like fitness, the system only works if you keep coming back to it. Life changes, standards shift, and cards drift. Couples who flourish are the ones who keep returning to the table.


    Resources

    • fairplaypolicy.org
    • Fair Play Life (Instagram)
    • Fair Play by Eve Rodsky
    • Maintenance by Stewart Brand


    Watch on YouTube at: https://youtu.be/6DBCOtydrRc


    This episode was produced by Sarah Vorhees Wendel of VW Sound
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    45 mins
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