Summary

We all hide. We hide from God, from each other, and even from ourselves — and it turns out that's not just a spiritual problem. It's a brain problem. In this episode, psychiatrist and author Dr. Curt Thompson joins Marcus Goodyear and Camille Hall-Ortega to explore what neuroscience and Christian spiritual formation have to say to each other about shame, community, and the human longing to be fully known.

Links and Resources

• Subscribe to Echoes magazine (free, quarterly print): echoesmagazine.org
• Dr. Curt Thompson's website: curtthompsonmd.com
• The Being Known Podcast: available on all major streaming platforms
• The Center for Being Known: www.thecbk.org/
• The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves (IVP, 2015)
• The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope (HarperOne, 2023)
• Paul Borgman, Genesis: The Story We Haven't Heard (IVP, 2001)

H. E. Butt Foundation: hebfdn.org

When suffering silences us, where do we turn? Drawing from his forthcoming book And the Sea Was No More, biblical scholar, professor, and author, Dave Nienhuis Nienhuis reflects on suffering, community, and the “victory narrative” that can keep us from telling the truth. This conversation is a powerful look at how God meets us in chaos and how faith makes room for struggle and vulnerability.

Show Notes:

• And the Sea Was No More by David Nienhuis (available for preorder; releases September 22, 2026)
• The Psalms (especially Psalm 69)
• Dark Night of the Soul, St. John of the Cross
• Mental health support
• Subscribe to Echoes magazine
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What if addiction isn’t just about substances—but about the human soul?

In this episode of The Echoes Podcast, Marcus Goodyear and Camille Hall-Ortega sit down with bestselling author, Episcopal priest, psychotherapist, and Enneagram teacher Ian Morgan Cron to explore a surprising and deeply human idea: we are all addicts. Drawing from his latest book, The Fix, Ian reframes addiction as a misdirected longing—a search for connection, meaning, and ultimately, God.

This conversation also explores the connection between the Enneagram and addiction, the power of self-awareness, and why “hurt people” may be uniquely equipped to help others heal.

Show Notes:

• The Typology Podcast with Ian Morgan Cron
• IanMorganCron.com
• The Fix by Ian Morgan Cron
• The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron
• The Grace of Letting Go, audio from Ian Morgan Cron's 2025 retreat at Laity Lodge
• The Big Book from Alcoholics Anonymous
• Carl Jung and 12 Steps origins
• Chasing Francis: A Pilgrim’s Tale by Ian Morgan Cron
• “I do not understand what I do...” Romans 7:15-20
• Robert “Bob” Goff
• Enneagram types
• Introducing the Enneagram with Richard Rohr