In this episode of The Empty Arms Podcast, I sit down with Emily Souder, LCSW-C, PMH-C and Mahaley Patel, LMFT, PMH-C, co-creators of Your NICU Story, a powerful journal to help families process their NICU stay. Together, we explore the power of storytelling in grief, the importance of naming experiences that often feel unspeakable, and how words can become a lifeline for families navigating loss.

Mahaley shares the story of her daughter, who died in the NICU, and the profound heartbreak of loving a child in a space filled with machines, uncertainty, hope, and fear. We talk about what it means to parent in the NICU, to grieve within it, and to carry that experience long after leaving its walls.

We are also incredibly lucky to have Emily's perspective. She is certified in Perinatal Mental Health and brings to the conversation a wealth of theraputic knowledge. Her professional insight on grief adds depth and understanding to the conversation, helping guide listeners through the emotional terrain of NICU loss and remembrance.

Additionally, we dive into Emily's book, Birth Story Held for Loss, discussing how writing can provide a path toward healing and the importance of honoring every story, no matter how painful.

This episode holds space for NICU parents, loss parents, and anyone who has been changed by a beginning that didn't go as planned, offering compassion, understanding, and the reminder that every story matters.

You can find the books here!

Your NICU Story: Reflecting on Your Family's Experience: Patel, Mahaley H., Souder, Emily E.: 9781734630930: Amazon.com: Books

Birth Story Held for Loss: A Guide for Reflecting on Your Fertility Experience, Miscarriage, Abortion, TFMR, Stillbirth, and Infant Loss: Souder, Emily, Brandon, Jodi: 9781734630923: Amazon.com: Books

After loss, joy can feel impossibly far away. But what if rediscovering joy isn't about moving on but about carrying love forward? In this episode, I sit down with Hannah Joy, a mother who has learned that the intentional search for joy can be one of the most powerful ways to honor her daughter's legacy.

Hannah shares her journey through grief and the turning point when she realized she didn't want her daughter's life to be remembered only through sadness. With honesty and grace, she offers practical advice on how to begin picking up the pieces after loss, how time and perspective gently shift the heart, and how joy — even the smallest glimmers — can become a sacred act of remembrance.

This conversation is a reminder that joy and grief can coexist and that finding joy again is not forgetting, but remembering with love.

This Episode is sponsored by Mama Media.

On this episode of The Empty Arms Podcast, Hailey shares her heartbreaking and deeply honest journey of loss, longing, and love. After years of trying to have a baby and multiple rounds of IVF, Hailey finally became pregnant with her daughter, Isla. At 26 weeks, she tragically lost her. The grief was overwhelming, compounded by previous losses, and left her living in a world without children, a place filled with invisible motherhood and quiet longing.

Through her pain, Hailey has created Isla's Embrace, a project dedicated to meeting other loss families where they are, helping them feel seen, supported, and less alone. Her story is raw, heart-wrenching, and full of love for families who haven't yet received their rainbow. Hailey's honesty is a vital reminder that not every mother gets her rainbow, and some carry this grief forever. But even in that sorrow, connection and meaning can grow.

This episode is brought to you by Black Bear Cinemas.