A million views can get you zero clients. A handful of the right listeners can build your business. Richard Wilmore has seen both.

Richard has put hundreds of experts in front of borrowed audiences, and he is blunt about where founder podcasts go to die: the marketing stops the moment you publish. In this conversation he reframes guesting as lead generation instead of exposure, explains why familiarity and trust are what actually convert, and gives the real timeline before a show starts paying off. If your podcast looks successful on the surface but isn't growing the business behind it, start here.

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In this episode:

• Why some guests walk away with business and others just get a nice clip
• Guesting as lead generation, not just exposure
• The publish-and-stop mistake that kills the payoff
• The one guest spot that turned into almost a decade of work
• Why you are not the only one who can talk about your business
• Views vs clients: why views matter but should not be the focus
• The compounding asset: why it clicks around 80 episodes

About the guest, Richard Wilmore: Podcast producer, host, and guest-booker who grew his own show to roughly 100,000 views a month and helps founders turn guest appearances into real business. Podcast, Make Your Day Richer: https://www.youtube.com/@MakeYourDayRicherTV Website: https://www.makeyourdayricher.com

Quick one from the host. Founder or business owner: if you are recording and then also making the descriptions, cutting the clips, editing, and chasing guests, stop that now. That is not your job. You are supposed to be working on the business. The podcast is supposed to feed the business. ProPod Concierge: you record, we handle the rest. We are taking on a handful of founders for a full, free month, not a trial, for those that qualify. Apply here to see if there's a slot open: https://propodconcierge.com

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A digital download is worth about two cents. The person sitting in front of you is worth up to 500 times more.

Jeff Revilla, podcaster since 2010 and the founder who bought an actual brick-and-mortar theater to do live podcasting, joins the Founder Podcast Lab to run the math most founders never do. Why 20 people at a live show can out-earn a podcast with 16,000 downloads, why live is the gravy and not the whole meal, and where the real value of a founder podcast has been hiding.

We get into the biggest mistake Jeff sees business owners make on the mic, the "I-I-I syndrome," where you talk about yourself instead of solving your listener's problem, plus the open-house blueprint for turning your own business into the venue, using a live taping as a networking and lead-gen event, and turning a client interview into the best business card you'll ever hand out.

If your podcast looks successful on the surface but isn't growing the business behind it, this episode shows you where to look first.

In this episode:

• The math: why 20 people in a room beat 16,000 downloads
• Live is the gravy, special events, not every episode
• The "I-I-I syndrome" that kills founder podcasts
• Turn a client interview into your best business card
• The open-house blueprint: make your own business the venue
• A 40-seat room with Madison Square Garden capacity (virtual tickets)

About the guest, Jeff Revilla: Podcaster since 2010, creator of a trivia show now airing on local television, and founder of a brick-and-mortar live-podcast theater in Tarentum, PA. He also runs the Pittsburgh Podcast Meetups. Podcast, Pod Duty: https://poduty.com His Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@podutylive

Running live events and still trying to keep the feed going, the clips, the descriptions, the editing, the guest booking? Stop that now. That's not your job. You're supposed to be working on the business. The podcast is supposed to feed the business.

This has been the Founder Podcast Lab. See you in the next episode.

You don't need more downloads. You need the right ones.

John Taylor, podcast marketer and founder of ACT3 Agency, joins the Founder Podcast Lab to explain why a business podcast that looks successful on the surface often isn't growing the business behind it, and why that's a strategy problem, not a podcast problem.

We get into reaching your ideal client instead of chasing vanity metrics, treating the show as one asset inside your funnel rather than the finish line, building a call-to-action that offers the next layer of value, and rotating that CTA so it never becomes closing-credits noise. John also breaks down LDO (Listener Discoverability Optimization), why AI can't hear your podcast and only reads the words you give it, and why the title and first line of a description carry about 90% of the decision to listen.

If your podcast feels like it's going nowhere, this episode shows you where to look first.

In this episode:

• Right downloads, not more downloads: reaching your ICP
• Your podcast lives inside the funnel, not above it
• The next layer of value: designing a CTA that converts
• Rotate the CTA every episode so it stays alive
• Teach AI who you are (the LDO approach)
• Why the title and first line decide almost everything

About the guest, John Taylor: Podcast marketer, founder of ACT3 Agency, and creator of the LDO framework. Website: https://act3agency.com/ PodAgain AI (launching soon): https://podagain.ai/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ACT3Agency

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This has been the Founder Podcast Lab. See you in the next episode.