In this episode of the Optimize Podcast, host Chris Hamm (CEO, FIN Acquisitions & former SES at GSA AAS) sits down with Robert (“Bob”) Niewood, a career GSA acquisition and systems leader turned consultant, to unpack how federal procurement actually works under the hood.
Bob walks through his 20+ year journey at GSA — from intern and contracting officer to director of systems and HCA for the Multiple Award Schedules program — and explains why the uniqueness of federal appropriations and fund flows keeps breaking commercial tools. He argues that in many mission spaces, custom-built solutions still beat COTS and low-code, and that focusing only on contract writing systems badly mis-frames the real problem.
Chris and Bob dig into the executive order on centralized procurement and OCAS, the push to move GWACs and MACs into GSA, the coming explosion of BPAs under FAR changes, and AI’s emerging “cottage industry” of one-off pilots. Throughout, Bob stresses business architecture, financial integration, and workforce capacity as the real constraints — and offers pragmatic advice for both agencies and GovCon teams trying to navigate what’s next.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
Why “the financial tail wags the dog” in federal procurement — and what that means for system design and data.
How GSA’s mission and revenue model make it fundamentally different from a “back office” contracting shop.
The real trade-offs between COTS, low-code, and custom-built acquisition systems in a legacy-heavy environment.
Why contract writing is just one small piece of a much larger business system (funds, audits, oversight, post-award).
The hidden complexity of OCAS and centralized procurement for “simple” common goods and services.
How GWACs, MACs, and new BPAs will stress current data models and legacy systems.
Why AI in acquisition today looks a lot like the early days of dashboards and RPA — and what might actually scale by 2026.
Timestamps
[00:00] Meet Bob Niewood – Philly sports, early GSA days, and how he fell in love with government contracting.
[06:30] Lotus Notes, paper files, and the first attempt to move GSA into a commercial ERP — and why it failed.
[10:00] Why federal money “is not commercial” – appropriations rules, one-year vs multi-year funds, and custom finance logic.
[14:00] Custom vs COTS vs low-code: when GSA must build its own mission systems and where commercial tools still fit.
[18:20] Can GSA still be its own integrator? Workforce constraints, DRPs, and the tax of transformation on 1102s.
[21:00] “It’s not about clauses” – reframing acquisition systems as end-to-end business systems, not just contract writing tools.
[27:20] Why “one system for everything” usually fails — and how GWACs and MACs complicate any consolidation strategy.
[29:10] Moving contract vehicles from NIH or NASA into GSA: practical realities, data migration, and integration pain.
[33:40] OCAS and centralized procurement: why making simple buys “more complex” can create a false economy.
[38:50] Enterprise pricing vs local buys – how timing, specs, and IDVs could solve more problems than new central offices.
[40:55] What will work by 2026? A more focused procurement ecosystem, incremental modernization, and better alignment inside GSA.
[42:30] AI as the next “wild west” – pilots, cottage industries, and finding use cases that scale across agencies.
[44:50] BPA boom, legacy data problems, and why intelligent automation still has huge headroom in acquisition workflows.
[46:00] Bob’s parting advice and why experiencing life as a contractor (yes, register in SAM) can be eye-opening.
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