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The Pact

The Pact

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It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.

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Episodes
  • Retrospective 2: Investigations

    Retrospective 2: Investigations
    Jul 9 2026
    Retrospective 2 takes us to the origin of the investigation; where Josh's interest in storytelling evolved into his obsession of needing to know everything. And it started in a surprising place: a bound book of correspondence between two teenage girls and their landlord. What started as comedic found writing, became a mystery that people could not let go. And as Josh made his way through it, while working on TCB, he learned about investigations and their repercussions.

    This is parts one and two of The Karen & Ellen Letters, Josh's first full-fledged investigation.

    10th Anniversary Retreat
    https://www.bothand.fyi/event-details-registration/ten-year-anniversary-celebration

    TROVA TRIP to Galápagos Islands
    https://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027

    TROVA TRIP to Costa Rica
    https://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026

    Cast:
    Sara Stapleton as Karen
    Sara Kitcher as Ellen
    Jeff Powell as Mark
    Matt Peelen as Rob

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    59 mins
  • Retrospective 1: The Ignition

    Retrospective 1: The Ignition
    Jun 5 2026
    To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new behind-the-scenes information about what was happening in life, in various investigations, and in the world that impacted these important episodes and their podcasts. You’ll learn how Josh started podcasting, how he started investigating Israel Keyes, some hilarious and terrifying stories from the road, and some really vulnerable and personal stories.

    We start our first retrospective at, duh, the beginning. Josh shares how both his podcasting journey and Keyes obsession began. He discusses his time in Seattle and on the Olympic Peninsula, how he ended up on the East Coast, his first deep-dive investigation (not Keyes) and how that led to his second (Keyes).

    And this kicks off an early episode of his very first show, Our Americana, entitled Van Life.

    TROVA TRIP to The Galapagos Islands:
    https://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027
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    1 hr and 26 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God

    Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God
    Dec 20 2024
    Season finale.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Featuring:
    Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
    Albert Perkins

    Resources:
    • Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.
    • How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen
    • The New York Times
    • The Harvard Political Review
    • The National Institutes for Health
    • The National Institues for Health
    • The American Psychological Association
    • The Harvard University Press
    • The Hill
    • The Trevor Project
    • The Human Rights Campaign
    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Adi Goldstein
    Featured music by: Frank Ocean
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    28 mins
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