This is a Vintage Selection from 2005

Episode Description
Mary Ann Esposito, pioneering host of PBS’s Ciao Italia, the longest running cooking show, joins the Restaurant Guys to discuss authentic Italian cooking before it was trendy. The conversation explores traditional Italian cuisine, regional cooking, food television, and how Italian food in America drifted from its roots.

The Banter
The Restaurant Guys open with a candid—and humorous—discussion of dieting culture in America, demonized foods, and what happens after a few months of eating sausage and whipped cream.

The Conversation
The Guys welcome Mary Ann Esposito, the host of PBS’s Ciao Italia and one of the earliest voices of authentic Italian cooking on American television. Mary Ann reflects on teaching traditional Italian cuisine, the foundations of regional cooking, and how Italian-American food evolved away from its origins. She also shares practical insights on bringing authenticity back into everyday cooking—without turning weeknight dinner into a chore.

The Inside Track
Mark and Francis reconnect with Mary Ann, recalling a memorable visit at their New Brunswick, NJ restaurant in 2005. They revisit her long-running culinary tours to Italy—and discover she’s still hosting them in 2026—proving that some food traditions don’t just endure, they keep evolving.

Timestamps
01:12 – What’s Wrong with a Pasta Dinner?
02:07 – Bad Diet Trends and Misunderstood Italian Food
06:35 – Mary Ann Esposito and Family Recipes
12:15 – The Cuisine of Sicily and Regional Italian Cooking
20:00 – The Quest for the Perfect Cannoli
24:30 – Preserving Authentic Italian Cuisine
29:30 – Finding Time to Cook Well at Home
32:00 – Leaving a Legacy in Food

Bio
Mary Ann Esposito is the longtime host of PBS’s Ciao Italia and a leading voice in Italian cooking in America. An award-winning author and teacher, she has spent decades sharing traditional Italian cuisine and shaping how home cooks understand regional Italian food.

Info

Mary Ann’s recipes, tours and other info

https://www.ciaoitalia.com/

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From kitchens around the world to cocktail media, why it’s time to talk about cooking with booze

The Conversation
In this episode of The Restaurant Guys Podcast, hosts Mark Pascal and Francis Schott head to Brooklyn to record at the new studio of Tim McKirdy.

Tim McKirdy shares his unconventional career path, from cooking in kitchens in London and Buenos Aires to becoming an influential writer in drinks journalism at VinePair, where he hosted the popular Cocktail College podcast. The conversation dives into Tim’s newest project, Sauced, a podcast he co-hosts with Sother Teague, dedicated to cooking with booze and and building cocktails that are designed for the dinner table, not just the bar.

Along the way, the Guys dig into shifting restaurant culture, the evolution of kitchen environment and why food goes with drink and drink goes with food. Expect behind-the-scenes stories, practical insights, and plenty of New York City restaurant and bar recommendations from people who live this stuff daily.

If you care about food media, modern mixology, or the intersection of kitchens and cocktails, this episode is a must-listen.

Bio

Tim McKirdy is a former chef turned drinks journalist and podcast host. After cooking professionally in London and Buenos Aires, he joined VinePair, where he hosted the popular Cocktail College podcast and was managing editor. He now co-hosts Sauced with Sother Teague, exploring cooking with booze & drinking with food.

Info

Sauced Podcast

https://sauced.supercast.com/

Timestamps
00:00 – Introduction & recording in Brooklyn
02:30 – Tim McKirdy’s early cooking career abroad
25:20 – From chef to VinePair and Cocktail College
41:48 – Launching Sauced: cooking with alcohol explained
52:56 – NYC restaurant & bar recommendations

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This is a Vintage Selection from 2005

Ever wonder how great restaurant wine lists actually come together — and why some completely miss the mark?

The Guys tell stories of their “glamorous” lives being restaurateurs that (surprisingly) involves more plumbers than they ever expected.

In this episode, The Restaurant Guys are joined by Chris Goodhart, wine buyer for Keith McNally’s restaurants in New York City, to talk about what really goes into building a wine program that serves both adventurous drinkers and everyday guests.

Chris shares stories from the floor, how he balances budgets with taste, and the quiet pressures behind the scenes when a bottle selection can make or break a dining experience.

The guys also dig into a fascinating moment in time: the impending smoking ban, how it changed drinking culture, and what restaurants had to rethink overnight — from bar traffic to wine styles that suddenly tasted different without smoke in the room.

It’s thoughtful, practical, and full of the kind of perspective you only get from people who live inside restaurants.

Timestamps
00:00 — Setting the stage: running restaurants in 2005
09:18 — What’s it like to run a wine program
15:00 — Building wine lists for various venues
20:00 — Chris’ opinion of The Michelin Guide in NYC
26:20 — How to take the pretentiousness out of the wine experience
32:40 — Corks and Screw Tops

35:27 — How Smoking Bans Change the Way People Drink

Bio

Chris Goodhart is a veteran New York City wine buyer, working for Keith McNally’s restaurant group, known for building thoughtful, guest-friendly wine programs that balance discovery, value, and hospitality.

Info

Keith McNally’s Balthazar, etc.

https://balthazarny.com/

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