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The Rough Cut

The Rough Cut

Written by: Matt Feury
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The Rough Cut features in-depth interviews with the film and tv industry's top post production professionals on the topics of film editing, video editing, sound design and more. Hosted by @MattFeury.© 2026 - The Rough Cut Studios Art
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  • Sinners
    Jan 19 2026
    Editor - Michael P. Shawver

    Sinners editor Michael Shawver has enjoyed a long and productive relationship with his former USC classmate, director Ryan Coogler. Together the two have collaborated on Fruitvale Station, Creed, Black Panther, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever and now Sinners. Their past experience on both VFX-heavy films like Black Panther, as well as socio-political dramas like Fruitvale Station, would prove invaluable as they worked to blend the real horror of racial injustice with the fantastical horror of a vampire onslaught.

    Taking place in 1932, Sinners follows identical twins, and World War I veterans, Elijah "Smoke" and Elias "Stack" Moore as they return to Clarksdale, Mississippi after spending seven years in Chicago. Using money stolen from criminal syndicates, they purchase a sawmill from a landowner to start a juke joint for the local Black community. Their younger cousin Sammie, a singer and guitarist, joins them despite his pastor father's warnings about the sins of blues music. His warnings would prove prophetic, as the twins and their friends face foes both familiar and supernatural.

    MICHAEL P. SHAWVER

    Originally from Rhode Island, Sinners editor Michael Shawver developed an early working relationship with director Ryan Coogler during their time together at the University of Southern California School of Cinematic Arts. Shawver initially edited Coogler's short film, Fig, and later went on to cut his feature debut, Fruitvale Station, starring Michael B. Jordan. The film garnered two of the Sundance Film Festival's top prizes, the Audience Award and the Grand Jury Prize, and went on to receive numerous awards and nominations at film festivals worldwide. Shawver also edited All Summers End, a debut feature film by director Kyle Wilamowski; Warren, by director Alex Beh; Tell, for director J.M.R. Luna; and Fourth Man Out, for Andrew Nackman. Shawver's next collaboration with Coogler and Jordan was Creed, for which he received a nomination for Best Editing in the Independent Critics Poll. Michael then reunited with Coogler and Jordan on Black Panther, a box office smash, which was nominated an outstanding 43 times, including for Best Picture at the Academy Awards and Best Motion Picture Drama at the Golden Globes. His work on this project also earned him a Saturn Award Nomination for Best Editing and an Alliance of Women Film Journalists Nomination for the Best Editing EDA Award. In addition, the film won Movie of the Year at the AFI Awards. Following Black Panther, Shawver edited A Quiet Place: Part II, directed by John Krasinski. He later returned to the Marvel universe for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, again collaborating with Coogler and Jordan. Shawver's recent work includes Abigail, a genre-bending thriller directed by Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett. He is currently editing The Thomas Crown Affair directed by and starring Michael B. Jordan. The Credits

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    52 mins
  • PLUR1BUS
    Jan 12 2026
    Editors - Skip Macdonald ACE, Chris McCaleb ACE and Joey Liew

    The PLUR1BUS editing team of Skip, Chris and Joey have worked together for 15 years on Vince Gilligan's Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul and now his new sci-fi hit for Apple TV+. With that kind of shared experience the three have established a creative "hive mind" of their own, while still demonstrating their individual talents as storytellers. Despite PLUR1BUS being such a departure from the stories he has told up to this point, it's easy to see why one thing Vince wouldn't change is the post crew that has helped make his shows modern classics.

    PLUR1BUS follows Albuquerque author Carol Sturka, who is one of only 13 people in the world immune to the effects of the "Joining", an event in which an extraterrestrial virus transformed the rest of humanity into a peaceful and content hive mind known as the "Others". The hive mind happily accommodates the wishes of those who remain unaffected, but admits that it will ultimately seek to assimilate them when it learns how to do so. Carol is adamantly against their efforts as she searches for a way to reverse the Joining.

    SKIP MACDONALD, ACE

    Despite an inauspicioius beginning to his career, working as an assistant sound editor on legendary film flop, Heaven's Gate, today Skip's mantle features an Emmy® award for his work on Breaking Bad. Adding his work on Fargo to the shows he has done with Vince Gilligan, Skip has been nominated for 12 ACE Eddie awards and 11 prime-time Emmy® awards, including his win in 2014.

    CHRIS McCALEB, ACE

    In addition to being thrice nominated for an Emmy® award for his work on Breaking Bad (1x) and Better Call Saul (2x), Chris has been nominated for a total of four ACE Eddie awards between the two shows, winning in 2021 for his work on Better Call Saul.

    JOEY LIEW

    California native turned New Mexico transplant, Joey Liew has steadily risen up the ranks of Vince Gilligan's ABQ universe. Joey began on Breaking Bad in 2010 as a production assistant, before making his way as an assistant editor and then editor on Better Call Saul and now PLUR1BUS. In 2021 Liew would share an ACE Eddie award with Chris for their work on the Season 5 Better Call Saul episode, "Bad Choice Road".

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    58 mins
  • Now You See Me - Now You Don't
    Dec 22 2025
    Editor - Stacey Schroeder ACE

    Editor Stacey Schroeder ACE admits she knows nothing about magic, but you wouldn't know it from the amazing slight of hand she demonstrates when cutting a movie. Coming into this film never having worked with director Ruben Fleischer before, and also being new to the franchise, Stacey had to rely upon her past experiences in comedy and action to hit all the right notes for this "magic-heist-action-comedy" tale.

    Now You See Me: Now You Don't is the third installment in the Now You See Me film series. Returning cast members include Jesse Eisenberg, Woody Harrelson, Dave Franco, Isla Fisher, Lizzy Caplan and Morgan Freeman. For this installment of the franchise, the Four Horsemen and a new generation of illusionists join forces to steal the world's largest diamond from a South African mogul who heads an international crime syndicate.

    STACEY SCHROEDER ACE

    Editor Stacey Schroeder's film credits include Now You See Me: Now You Don't; The Disaster Artist; Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping (with Jamie Gross and Craig Apert); Sonic the Hedgehog; Blockers and Cinderella(2021). Her television credits include pilot for The Last Man on Earth; Eastbound & Down; You're the Worst; She-Hulk: Attorney at Law; Garfunkel & Oats and Girlboss. Raised in New Port Richey, Fla., Schroeder graduated from the University of Florida and now lives in Los Angeles with her husband and two kids. The Credits

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    54 mins
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