In this episode, Elizabeth Oldfield is joined by political theorist and author Sophie Lewis to explore one of the most provocative ideas: the abolition of the family.

Reflecting on her own complicated adolescence, Sophie asks what it would mean to reorganise society around love and collective care rather than accumulation?

Drawing on her book, Abolish the Family, Sophie argues that the nuclear family carries impossible burdens in a capitalist society - privatising care, exhausting women, and quietly treating children as property. Could we imagine a world where love, care, and kinship extend beyond the walls of the nuclear family?

Together, they talk about:

• Why “utopia” is a practice, not a destination

• The hidden labour inside the private household

• Surrogacy, reproduction and the myth of “unassisted” motherhood

• Are autonomy and care are opposites, or inseparable?

• Jesus’ radical redefinition of family and the overlap between Christianity and communism

• What Sophie really means by abolition

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Keywords:

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In this episode of The Sacred, Elizabeth Oldfield is joined by Jo Colman - great-great-great grandchild of the founder of Colman’s Mustard and now Chief Mint Officer of the family business, Summerdown - to explore a radically different story about generational wealth, power, business and belonging.

Jo reflects on growing up with deep security and love, how that shaped his sense of responsibility, and why privilege doesn’t have to turn inward into status-seeking, but can instead become a platform for risk, generosity and service.

Together, they talk about:

• How power and privilege can be redirected outward rather than hoarded

• Why Jo once rejected signet rings and why he now wears one

• Building ethical, regenerative businesses that add value instead of extracting it

• Adoption, family-making, and the real cost of inclusion

• How to build families, institutions and communities that can truly hold human complexityThis is a conversation about the kind of wealth that doesn’t shrink the soul.

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Chapters

00:00 Intro

01:07 What is Sacred to You? Jo Colman answers

03:02 Staying Present in Parenting

05:49 Hope vs. Optimism: Embracing Life’s Paradoxes

12:14 Wealth as Formation: Privilege and Responsibility

15:14 Building a Regenerative, Ethical Business

31:26 Creativity, Purpose, and Social Responsibility

32:22 Our Adoption Journey

35:33 Training and Preparation for Adoptive Parenting

37:44 Parenting Adopted Children: Real Challenges

39:57 Trauma, Healing, and the Power of Love

45:31 Bureaucracy and the Adoption Process

47:35 Understanding the Stories of Biological Families

50:09 Adoption as Plan B: A Broader Perspective

51:53 Small-A Anarchism and Community Engagement

55:31 Listening, Assumptions, and Understanding Adoption

58:02 Slowing down in parenting

Keywords:

Jo Colman, Colman Mustard, Summerdown Mint, generational wealth, inheritance, privilege for good, ethical entrepreneurship, conscious capitalism, regenerative business, sustainable business, business with purpose, using wealth responsibly, family beyond blood, adoption stories, adoptive parenting, building family, radical generosity, love as action, belonging, human complexity, non-anxious presence, prophetic imagination, spiritual formation, formation through faith, stewardship of privilege, power and responsibility, ethical leadership, business for impact, social impact business, purposeful life, vocation and calling, family-making as vocation, living ethically, hope versus optimism, accompaniment, relational leadership, intentional parenting, high-needs adoption, inclusive families, inclusive communities, societal change, moral courage, compassionate leadership, human flourishing, social responsibility, giving back, life of service, risk for good, cultivating resilience, forming community, transformative love, radical hospitality

Elizabeth Neumann, a former senior official in the Trump Administration, reflects on why she felt called to serve, what she witnessed from inside government, and how her commitment to integrity ultimately led her to step away.

In this conversation, she and Elizabeth Oldfield reflect on how extremism takes root, the role of integrity in polarised times, and why love, accountability, and formation matter more than outrage or power.

Key moments:

- Why Elizabeth Neumann worked in the Trump administration - and why she left

- The difference between loyalty, obedience, and integrity

- How fear drives polarisation and extremism

- What 911 on January 6th revealed about institutional fragility

- Why love is not soft, but essential for violence prevention

- The cost of truth-telling inside communities you care about

Chapters

00:00 Trailer

00:32 Intro

01:21 What is sacred to you? Elizabeth Neumann answers

03:34 Values in Hard Decision Making

08:47 Growing Up in the Bible Belt

14:06 Understanding Extremism and Fear

18:31 The Shift in Political Narratives

27:21 The Impact of 9/11 on National Security

32:02 The Psychological Drivers of Extremism

41:51 The Role of Love in Community Resilience

48:09 Navigating Political Loyalty in the Trump Administration 53:26 The January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol

01:00:18 Speaking Out Against Extremism

01:05:48 Engaging with Those at Risk of Radicalisation

Keywords:John Kelly, Christian extremism, Bush, Trump, political extremism in America, faith and politics, Elizabeth Neumann interview, former Trump administration official, extremism and fear, radicalization and identity, preventing political violence, January 6 insurrection analysis, national security and extremism, Christian nationalism explained, moral courage in politics, integrity vs loyalty, obedience and conscience, fear-based politics, polarization in America, how extremism takes root, psychological drivers of extremism, love as violence prevention, community resilience against extremism, speaking out against extremism, truth-telling in polarized communities, cost of dissent, faith formation and identity, Bible Belt culture, 9/11 and national security policy, domestic extremism explained, religious identity and politics, political loyalty and integrity, navigating moral conflict at work, radicalization warning signs, de-escalation and prevention strategies, engaging people at risk of extremism, the role of fear in radicalization, democracy under threat, institutions under strain, January 6 lessons learned, Christian ethics in public life, power vs moral responsibility, extremism inside institutions, violence prevention strategies, faith-based approaches to peacebuilding, why people believe extreme ideologies, breaking cycles of outrage, love and accountability in community, political identity and belonging, courageous leadership in divided times, how narratives shape extremism, faith, fear, and power, rebuilding trust across difference