What does it mean to see immigrants not as outsiders, but as essential contributors to the Kingdom of God?

In this powerful conversation, Aaron Daly sits down with Deenbo Kidane, leader of the Daniel Initiative, pastor, mother, and advocate for immigrant communities. Together, they explore the unique gifts immigrant churches bring to the American Church—including resilience, prayer, faith, generosity, and deep-rooted relationships—and why those gifts are needed now more than ever.

Deenbo shares her journey from Ethiopia to Arizona, the life-changing message that first connected her to the Daniel Initiative, and her passion for helping second-generation immigrant leaders discover that they are not here by accident, but by God's design. She reflects on the challenges facing immigrant communities today, the importance of building relationships across cultural divides, and why the Church must resist fear and division in favor of the reconciling work of Jesus.

Through personal stories and hard-earned wisdom, Deenbo offers a compelling vision for a more interconnected Church—one where immigrant voices are celebrated, cultural differences become opportunities for growth, and every believer recognizes their role in God's mission.

Whether you're part of an immigrant church, a longtime American congregation, or simply longing for a broader vision of God's family, this conversation will challenge, encourage, and inspire you.

In this episode of the Surge Podcast, John DelHousaye introduces Surge School’s new Ardor curriculum by exploring one of the three transcendentals: goodness. Joined by artists Travis Mullen and Jyll Ethier-Mullen, the conversation dives into the intersection of art, faith, and the creative process.

Together, they reflect on how goodness is expressed not only in finished artwork, but in the rhythms of practice, the role of community, and the posture of the artist. From early creative influences to rediscovering artistic identity, Travis and Jyll share personal stories of formation, struggle, and renewal.

The discussion also explores how concepts like harmony, composition, and even “negative space” reveal deeper truths about reality—and what it means to create in a way that reflects the nature of God. Along the way, they wrestle with questions of intrinsic vs. instrumental goodness, the tension between skill and vision, and the subtle pull of ego and idolatry in artistic work.

Whether you’re an artist or simply someone drawn to beauty and meaning, this episode offers a thoughtful and grounded look at how creativity can point beyond itself to something greater.

In this episode, we flip the script as John Talley III joins us on the other side of the mic to share his story and vision for the Church in our city.

John, a pastor, professor, and self-described “servant trying to tell everybody about somebody who can save anybody,” invites us into the heart behind Neighbor’s Table, an initiative of Surge Network focused on mobilizing believers to love their neighbors in real, tangible ways.

We talk about what it means to move from proclamation to demonstration, not just talking about Jesus, but living it out. From foster care and refugee support to justice, advocacy, and the arts, this episode paints a vision for a unified Church marked by mercy, action, and neighbor love.