This conversation focused on exploring the concept of presence and its importance in various aspects of life, including coaching, legal practice, and personal relationships. Cari and Spencer discussed their personal experiences with presence, with Cari sharing how embracing imperfections led to self-acceptance and Spencer reflecting on how presence and grace connect in coaching and meditation practices. The conversation concluded with Spencer sharing his journey of improving presence in different areas of his life, particularly in coaching baseball and his marriage, emphasizing the transformative power of being fully present in the moment.

Spencer Lee is an immigration attorney based in Phoenix and the founder of Saguaro Legal. He has been practicing immigration law since 2016, with a focus on removal defense, asylum, waivers, family-based immigration, and federal litigation. His work sits at the intersection of law, humanity, and long-term strategy. Spencer is deeply committed to doing this work not just correctly, but thoughtfully—prioritizing clarity, dignity, and real advocacy. He is building a firm centered on “client astonishment,” where clients feel seen, informed, and respected rather than processed.

Originally from Logan, Utah, Spencer has lived in Mesa since 2015 and is a husband and father who places family at the center of his life. His faith, love of travel, and appreciation for meaningful experiences strongly shape how he approaches both life and work. He values honesty, strong systems, and personal growth, and he is intentional about designing a life and business that allow for presence, perspective, and depth—not just productivity.

Spencer has dedicated years to volunteer service with local consulates, particularly the Guatemalan and Mexican Consulates, providing free legal consultations and support to immigrant families with limited access to resources. Service has been a constant thread throughout his life, from earlier faith-based service to his ongoing commitment to access, education, and dignity in the immigration process. For Spencer, immigration law is not just a profession—it is a calling to advocate, serve, and help families build stable and hopeful futures.

Ryan and I sat down for a conversation that’s real, humble, and full of truth. He shares openly about the moment he realized he wasn’t living from his own identity — and what it took to find his way back to himself. We talk about breaking patterns, asking for support, and the kind of community that doesn’t just cheer you on… but helps you grow.

It’s honest. It’s human. And it’s a reminder that you’re not meant to do life alone.

About Ryan Morris

Ryan Morris a.k.a. Ryan The Lion helps people create miracles in their life. He is a miracleologist!

He is an empowerment coach specializing in helping others create the life they always wanted while helping them remember their giant potential by breaking down barriers and shattering limiting beliefs.

Ryan in partnership with Nicholas T. Smith, who is the author of The Giants and The Smalls, started Mandelbrot Productions (A publishing and production company), created A Tribe Of Giants on Facebook, started a Podcast called Wake Up With Giants TV, and created The 12 Journeys that are the foundation for their program for partner coaches and individuals called Sūm Giganté, which means I Am Giant!

Together Nick and Ryan have taken their Giant message to radio, television, schools, libraries, jail, seminars, events, and retreats.

They have also shared their message at a few Ultimate Experiences which obviously have been their favorite!

Ben and I open up a conversation around presence — not as a concept, but as a lived experience. We talk about authenticity, emotional transformation, and the courage it takes to face yourself right where you are. It’s an honest, grounded exploration of what happens when you stop running from your feelings and start allowing them to guide you.

About Ben Welch:

After living restricted and conditioned by the fundamentalist religious beliefs of his upbringing, Ben at 30 took a machete to his childhood conditioning, instead cutting his own path and navigating life in many ways that coincide with this book - seeking out his hidden potential by all means necessary.

With several careers spanning over different industries from building and construction to sales, personal training and transformational coaching, he has developed a personal and professional focus on observing and renovating life beginning with the foundation and having a construction-like principle based approach to observing one’s self, being open to the cracks that affect one’s emotional, psychological, spiritual and material experiences of life which clearly point to the truth of who we are.

Then newly constructing a life on purpose as the human one is committed to being.

A father of 5 children between 13- 21, and husband to beautiful Melissa for 24 years, Ben has carried out this process amongst the joys and challenges of marriage, the loss of a child and child rearing, overcoming grief and depression and instead choosing commitment to a place of living with patience in the discovery of who he is for himself and, in turn, others.

Ben loves to support others in this process and lives with passion and wonder for the stories of how the world opens up for all humans when they choose to live actively in the arena of life, bringing courage and vulnerability with strength and power to life. He loves to watch their expansion with joy, honor and respect, and see the renovation potential we all are advance from fear and lack into service and success.