When Jason Blumer of Thriveal and Ian Vacin of Karbon set out to write Scale with Purpose, they didn't expect the journey to mirror the unpredictable path of entrepreneurship itself. On Episode 109 of The Upstream Leader, they recount the ups and downs that shaped their leadership philosophies, from early missteps and hard-won lessons to the realization that scaling a service-based firm is as much about self-awareness as it is about strategy. Jeremy probes the content of the book, diving into the messy realities of building teams, the myth of consensus, and the challenge of driving efficiency in a world where people, as Jeremy quotes, "crave the freedom to be inefficient." Importantly, this isn't just a how to manual, and the group reflects on why not every firm should, or even should want to, scale.

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Being lonely at the top is more than a cliché, it's a reality for many leaders. Jeremy Clopton sits down with Mark McFatridge, founder and CEO of Quaid, to explore the hidden challenges of leadership isolation and the power of community on Episode 108 of The Upstream Leader. Mark shares how "like-situated" circles can become a lifeline for CEOs and business owners navigating high-stakes decisions and personal struggles, as sources of trust, vulnerability, and radical candor. Mark goes through how to build authentic connections both inside and outside the workplace no matter your position within it. If your goal is to lead with more humanity and find support while doing so, you'll learn why true community is the antidote to isolation, and how you can redefine what it means to succeed as a leader.

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Jeremy Clopton sits down with Matt Tait, CEO of Decimal, on Episode 107 of The Upstream Leader for a refreshingly honest look at how personal health shapes leadership. Matt recounts the wake-up call that came not from a business crisis, but from his own kids questioning his athletic past, and rather than chasing quick fixes, he describes a slow, intentional shift: waking up earlier, building habits, and crafting a fitness routine that serves as a source of joy for him rather than an obligation. Yes, the reality of balancing work, family, self-care, employees' needs, and putting out fires is messy and unpredictable, but Matt's story is a reminder that leadership isn't about perfection or control. He's shown that it's possible to systematically make space for yourself while simultaneously showing up better for those who count on you. No matter where you are on your own self-care journey, you'll want to hear Matt's insights.

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