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I was so honored to sit with my friend and mentor, Scott Nary, to discuss leadership and kingdom building. Scott and Marcy Nary are founders of 420Fire International and strong prophetic voices charged with training and equipping the body of Christ to discern, follow, and obey the voice of the Lord for themselves. You can learn more about their ministry at 420fire.org

We sit down with Scott in this episode to talk about why leadership always includes turbulence, and why influence only grows through real investment, not titles or platforms.

We unpack submission, repentance, and character so we can lead from maturity instead of insecurity and self-focus.

Some points:
• leadership is defined as influence built through investment
• turbulence as a normal sign of growth and pressure
• time, words and money as revealers of what matters
• dangers of theory without experience and performance without Spirit
• correction as love, and why leaders trigger bruises to heal them
• insecurity and self-focus as drivers of offence and blame
• authority through submission, not through a title
• discipline and repentance as ongoing practices for leaders
• biblical leadership qualifications from 1 Timothy 3
• frustration as a signal for an upgrade and missed opportunities

If you are called to minister and steward a call from God, this episode is for you!

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My conversations with my friend and mentor, Marcy Nary, are always my favorites. She has a depth of revelation and knowledge of spiritual matters that only comes from a life devoted to the intimate, private, secret place of the Lord.

Scott and Marcy Nary are founders of 420Fire International and strong prophetic voices charged with training and equipping the body of Christ to discern, follow, and obey the voice of the Lord for themselves. You can learn more about their ministry at 420fire.org

In this episode, we talk through what happens when God’s call is bigger than our capacity and why repeated confirmation can keep us steady over years. We also get honest about coming to the end of our own grace, laying down our savior complex, and choosing real intimacy with God over routines that only look spiritual.

If it's "real" you want, this episode is for you!

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This is the first episode of a new series focusing on Kingdom Building. We will have interviews from emerging voices in multiple arenas.

This week, we start with entrepreneurship.

A rest stop. A sudden pull to help strangers. A chain reaction that starts with hitchhikers and ends with a rebuilt life. Sitting down with Christiaan and Adrienne, we trace the “divine appointments” that brought them to West Virginia, into a strong community, and into a season of explosive growth as entrepreneurs, even after years marked by addiction, anger, and feeling trapped. If you care about entrepreneurship, business, and the real inner work behind results, this one goes straight to the root.

We get practical about consistency and momentum: why the small task you can do today matters more than the giant outcome you keep daydreaming about, how order in your home and habits supports stewardship and wealth, and why chasing “the big thing” often wakes up a life you do not actually want to live. Then we push into mindset and spiritual formation, including a blunt take on doubt and imposter syndrome, and how taking action in faith becomes the antidote to stagnation.

The conversation also wrestles with leadership: losing people, misaligned expectations, and the temptation toward codependency in teams and church culture.

Christiaan shares the breakthrough that changed everything for him, not a new tactic but forgiveness, specifically confronting resentment toward parents and dropping judgment.

Adrienne adds what rarely gets said out loud: the relational cost, late nights, marriage strain, and the choice to fight for quality connection with your spouse and kids while building something that lasts.

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