As a college athlete, Carrie (she/her) suffered chronic joint pain and insomnia. After her first child was born, she developed gut inflammation and adrenal fatigue. Armed with a BS in Biology, a Master’s Degree in Clinical Nutrition, and multiple certifications, Carrie sought the root cause of her failing health, ultimately finding circadian and quantum biology, which she has discovered is foundational to health and healing. Carrie currently sees clients in her private online practice. She also teaches courses in applied quantum biology as a faculty member for the Quantum Biology Collective, as an instructor at Kalamazoo College, and via her online course platform.

In this episode, on the intersections of Humans + Photosynthesis, here are a few of the major things we cover:

• How the water in our bodies is structured into a liquid crystal.
• How that liquid crystal gets charged like a battery by the sun.
• The fact that humans do photosynthesize.
• How modern technology and indoor living drain our body’s battery.
• The cascade of events that happen in our bodies via sunlight.
• Why our bodies are like radios, constantly picking up vibrational data.
• The quantum and biological legitimacy of manifesting.
• How the water in our body remembers past trauma.
• Carrie’s take on cancer, including cells being “out of tune.”
• And, why you should ditch your sunglasses.

Listeners can find Carrie online, at:
Her Website
Her Quantum Foundations Course
Instagram
YouTube

Those who might be interested in taking a deeper dive can also become certified in Carrie’s six-week course, which is the world’s first-ever Quantum Circadian Certification.

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In this bonus episode of the show, hear Brandi in conversation with Kate Kavanaugh on the Ground Work Podcast. As Kate describes of the interview —

"This episode is a long-form podcast between two people that don’t know how to be bite-sized. Often discussed through the lens of paradox where paradox is the answer and not the problem, and pleasure is found in the pursuit of all the questions. In it, Brandi discusses finding purpose in her life as a generalist for whom curiosity is always burning. We talk about aliveness as a North Star for purpose in that, according to Brandi, “Whatever wakes up aliveness is your purpose.” We talk about connection—both connecting disparate ideas and also what happens when we become disconnected and it manifests as illness in our bodies, divisiveness in our culture, and breakdowns in our ecology. Brandi shares about the role of religion in her life and her exploration of the intentional split between matter and the sacred, and how she is reintegrating them. We explore the idea of ‘living in the gift’ and how we can share our gifts with the world and how we can receive the gifts of others."

We also talk about:
– The intersection of eroticism + aliveness
– Learning to stop cutting off pieces of yourself to belong
– Holding complexity
– Finding purpose in illness

Find Kate and other Ground Work things here:
Listen to the Ground Work Podcast
Kate's Instagram

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Kate Kavanaugh (she/her) is trying to figure out what it means to lay the groundwork. For herself, for human health and ecosystem health alike, for farmers, for the next generation, and beyond. After many years as a vegetarian, Kate’s health began to decline precipitously. She turned to meat for answers and found an entire world of curiosity before her. She noticed that through holistic management, farmers were working to restore ecosystems and grasslands with the help of ruminants. This seemed intimately connected to her own health journey and—curious to help restore the Western grasslands she called home through regeneratively raised meat—she opened a whole-animal butcher shop, Western Daughters, with her now-husband in 2013.

Blending her knowledge of regenerative agriculture, nutrition, anthropology, health, and biology, Kate is now in the midst of yet another life change spurred on by meat. She moved to a farm where she grows almost all of her own food, lives with the rhythms of nature, and explores the question of what it means to lay the groundwork through her podcast—the Ground Work Podcast. When she’s not exploring the intersections of human and ecosystem health, you can find her playing with goats in the sunshine.

In this episode, on the intersections of Meat + Health, we talk about:

• [08:02] The paradox of life and death: they can coexist together and one is required for the other.
• [22:39] The brilliant thing about ecology is that we are attracted to things that are more beautiful and taste better.
• [47:21] The difference between Kate’s view on agriculture and conventional agriculture.
• [57:29] Why contradiction doesn’t exist in the universe.
• [01:21:45] Life thrives in edge zones within an ecosystem.
• [01:30:48] Is the reason why so many people have health issues that we’ve replaced fat with sugar?
• [01:37:04] Kate and I both like complexity and nuance, which sometimes makes us exhausted people.
• [01:50:03] Death is not bad in nature. It strengthens the soil and our bodies. It’s all part of a bigger ecosystem.
• [01:55:51] Why Kate’s community and her new podcast, Ground Work, fill her up.

Prefer to see this conversation instead? Watch the full episode on YouTube. You can also find more on our conversation and links to everything we discussed by checking out this episode’s show notes.

Listeners can find Kate online, at:

Ground Work Podcast
Ground Work Collective
Western Daughters
Personal Instagram