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Unrefined Podcast .com

Written by: Brandon Spain Lindsy Waters and The Unrefined Crew
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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.Unrefined LLC Christianity Ministry & Evangelism Social Sciences Spirituality
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  • E195 When Knowing Isn’t Enough: Healing Beyond Information
    Feb 16 2026

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    Misery has a way of forcing honest questions.

    In this episode, Brandon sits down with Jennifer Johnson who has spent decades helping people move beyond information about God and into real, embodied transformation. This conversation explores heart physics, biblical meditation, imagination, and why so many believers know Scripture—but can’t seem to live free.

    What happens when the Word moves from the mind into the heart?
    What if healing isn’t about trying harder, fixing yourself, or perfect behavior—but learning to trust again?

    This episode unpacks why religious systems often fear inner freedom, how imagination was designed to work, and why your response to pain determines the outcome of your story. The conversation culminates in a live guided biblical meditation that invites listeners into direct awareness of Christ within.

    This is not self-help.
    This is not technique-driven spirituality.
    This is an invitation to closeness.

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    Timestamps:
    00:00:51 Introducing heart physics and biblical meditation
    00:03:02 Growing up Christian and discovering something was missing
    00:05:24 How How to Stop the Pain reframed suffering
    00:07:45 Heart physics and the parable of the sower
    00:12:23 Why information alone never produces fruit
    00:16:52 Meditation, imagination, and reclaiming what religion feared
    00:21:37 Sanctified imagination versus misuse
    00:28:43 Christ in you awareness not self-fixing
    00:30:59 The moment Jesus said “I chose you”
    00:33:10 Why experience changes everything
    00:34:47 Guided biblical meditation begins
    00:41:56 Trusting Jesus as an invitation not a demand
    00:45:06 Final reflection and closing


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    46 mins
  • E194 [Rewind] What’s Wrong With Groups That Have Secrets?
    Feb 9 2026

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    There are “good causes” that can still be carrying a bad spirit, and some of the cleanest-looking institutions in public can hide the dirtiest mechanics underneath. In this one, we talk about how the mask works, why symbolism matters, and why discernment has to be more than vibes. We keep it anchored: Jesus is the way, not a ladder system, not an oath system, not a mystery religion with Christian paint on it — Amy from Eyes on the Right.

    Timestamps

    00:00:07 The veil that hides what groups really are
    00:00:25 Unrefined intro and sponsor shoutout
    00:00:48 Amy’s testimony and why it points back to Jesus
    00:03:08 Sobriety and “no longer lukewarm” devotion
    00:05:29 Secret societies as “same gift different wrapping paper”
    00:07:51 Knights Templar links and the public “good guy” image
    00:10:14 What lower-level Masons know and don’t know
    00:12:31 Revelation of the method and “game” dynamics

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    14 mins
  • E193 Trauma, Power, and Public Failure: The Bethel/ Shawn Bolz Controversy
    Feb 2 2026

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    Hey, hey, hey—today isn’t a reaction piece. It’s a response. Not a theological sparring match, not a pile-on, not a “pick your side” moment. We’re talking about what sits underneath public failure in the church—power, gifting, trauma, accountability, integrity, and the systems that shape leaders long before anything goes public. If we want real healing, we’ve got to stop playing whack-a-mole with personalities and start asking better questions about formation, cover-up culture, and what restoration actually requires.


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    Timestamps:
    00:02:42 Examining our own hearts before critiquing others
    00:05:01 No one agrees 100 percent with anyone’s theology and why that matters
    00:07:15 Prophetic etiquette and why words must be weighed
    00:09:33 Stage culture money ego and the illusion of total accuracy
    00:11:52 Why these moments expose systems more than individuals
    00:14:08 Upside down ministry model gifting elevated over healing
    00:16:31 Judging behavior vs assigning intention and the iceberg metaphor
    00:18:46 Four levels of consciousness and why triggers persist
    00:20:56 Brandon re-evaluates assumptions and contrasts correction styles
    00:23:16 Freemasonry generational doors and cover-up culture claims
    00:25:41 Character over gifting and why relational community reveals fruit
    00:28:04 What repentance could look like for replatforming
    00:30:22 Predatory patterns and why some behaviors disqualify platform trust
    00:32:37 Organic church family units vs celebrity models
    00:34:53 Board failure power dynamics and why exposure happens externally
    00:37:14 Sanctification put off vs put on and formation practices
    00:39:30 Sonship identity performance and anointing as identity substitute
    00:41:50 Why psychics can seem more accurate and the issue of mixture
    00:44:14 Occult mimicry counterfeit spiritual experiences and discernment
    00:46:37 Dissociation explained trauma survival compartmentalization
    00:48:53 Epigenetics cellular memory and generational impact language
    00:51:17 Accountability after 18 and responsibility for healing
    00:53:38 Freemasonry vow logic and Matthew 18 discipline arc
    00:55:52 Integrity as wholeness and why truth is the safer path
    00:58:12 Jezebel Leviathan Python framework and confusion dynamics
    01:00:35 Witchcraft manipulation twisting intimidation and board dynamics
    01:03:00 501c3 alignment claims and spiritual entanglement discussion
    01:05:23 Symbolism foundations and why “systems” matter spiritually
    01:07:39 Chris Vallotton fallout logic and outcome based ethics
    01:10:02 Tree of life vs knowledge of good and evil applied
    01:12:25 Why integrity heals subconscious double binds and rumination
    01:14:47 Peace joy homeostasis and alignment as nervous system reality
    01:17:02 Frequency language and predators targeting low states
    01:19:25 Learning prophetic safely practice confirmation and community
    01:21:30 Locker room vs field practicing gifts in real life
    01:23:40 Gift of prophecy vs office of prophet relational difference
    01:26:02 Prophecy as potentiality and confirmation over control
    01:28:14 Finding triggers and why guided help matters
    01:30:36 Discerning supernatural favor fruit peace alignment and closed doors
    01:33:00 Enchanted world discernment food offered to idols analogy
    01:35:05 Blessing food and spiritual defilement stories
    01:37:24 ULGs what they are and how they work
    01:39:45 Identity in Christ healing projections and father lens
    01:42:07 Closing encouragement don’t throw the baby out

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    1 hr and 47 mins
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