Therapist and author Tammy Gustafson joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about intimate partner betrayal and healing. Whether you are a survivor of betrayal or want to be a good friend to someone who has walked through this, this is an important episode.

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In this episode we talk about

• Phases of healing
• Misconceptions of the Bible and revovering from betrayal
• What "successful" healing looks like
  

Featured Guest

• Tammy Gustafson

Resources mentioned

• Faithful Counseling

• The Life Saving Divorce https://amzn.to/3YPkn6Z

• Tammy Gustafson Tammy Gustafson | Betrayal Healing

• Betrayal healing conference Betrayal Healing Conference | Tammy Gustafson

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Podcast Host, Amy Fritz, reflects on 2025 with lessons learned, articles she's shared, favorite books and musicians, and some things she's thinking about for 2026

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In this episode we talk about:

• Working on a memoir
• Articles from 2025
• Musicians I love
• News stories I'm still thinking about

Resources mentioned

• Untangled Faith Substack
• Suzy Flory, One Year Memoir
• Get the Hell Out of Dodge
• Open When You Drop Your Daughter Off At College For the First Time
• That Time Dave Ramsey Said He Might Possible Owe My Husband an Apology
• On Celebrations and Landmines and Reminders of the Places we Had to Leave
• Reckoning With Reports that Someone In Your Community Has Harmed Someone
• I Was Warned About the World, But Not About This
• Jon Guerra
• Sarah Kroger
• Becca Jordan
• Michael Tait allegations
• The Glass House
• The Tell
• Perversion of Justice
• Ordinary Time
• Remarkably Bright Creatures
• Becoming the Pastor's Wife
• Dinner for Vampires
• The Quiet Damage
• Theo of Golden
• Peril

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Journalist and author Scott Latta joins Amy Fritz to discuss Scott's new book, Gods of the Smoke Machine: Power, Pain, and the Rise of Christian Nationalism in the Megachurch, sharing stories of power, accountability, and the changing landscape of American megachurches.

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In this episode we:

• Explore why megachurches are growing even as overall church attendance in America declines.

• Examine the evolution from traditional "big box" churches to franchise-style, multi-site megachurch models.

• Discuss the impact of megachurch growth on small churches, including the cannibalization of congregations and properties.

• Explore the profound loss experienced by members when megachurch scandals or abusive leaders come to light, and how that pain is multiplied by scale.

• Hear firsthand stories from those harmed by toxic church systems and why amplifying survivor voices is critical.

• Unpack the phenomenon of faux accountability and restoration processes for fallen pastors in megachurch networks.

• Discuss Boz Tchividjian's insights on the legal landscape, the role of financial consequences in church accountability, and why civil litigation is sometimes the only path to justice.

• Investigate how megachurches cultivate soft political power, their influence on Christian nationalism, and the increasing willingness of pastors to openly engage in politics.

• Offer practical wisdom for those seeking healthy faith communities, what real accountability looks like, and how to rethink church engagement after disillusionment.

Featured Guest

• Scott Latta Gods of the Smoke Machine | Scott Latta | Substack

Resources mentioned

• Faithful Counseling BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today

• Scott Latta's Substack Gods of the Smoke Machine | Scott Latta | Substack

• Scott Latta on Bluesky Scott Latta (@scottlatta.bsky.social) — Bluesky

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