AI tools are everywhere. Real adoption is scarce.

In this episode of What Gets Measured, Jake Sanders and Jessica Graeser sit down with Ben Tasker, AI Workforce Development Strategist and Senior AI Strategist at National Grid, to unpack why so many AI initiatives stall—and what actually makes them stick. Ben shares lessons from building applied AI programs across healthcare, higher education, and large enterprises, including what it takes to prepare thousands of people for AI-enabled work.

The conversation moves beyond tools into skills, systems thinking, trust, and learning cultures—and why AI strategy succeeds or fails at the human level.

If you're a marketer, analytics leader, or operator trying to turn AI experimentation into measurable performance, this conversation will change how you think about readiness, risk, and real impact.

SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-why-skills-beat-tools-in-ai

🎧 Topics include:

Why AI adoption is a human problem

Skills vs. tools in AI strategy

Augmentation, not replacement, for marketing teams

Trust, learning, and AI at scale

Cutting through AI hype to real value

The future of AI recommendations and discoverability

Former CFO and AI educator Angeline Corvaglia explains why data isn't neutral—and how agencies can present AI and analytics insights responsibly and accurately.

SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/wgm-podcast-when-data-ai-and-decisions-meet

We cover:

• how interpretation shows up even in finance

• why AI makes data feel more certain than it really is

• where bias enters training data (and why it's rarely visible)

• how leaders decide what data actually matters

• and what finance leaders really want from marketers

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In this 100th episode of What Gets Measured, Jake and Jess revisit the clips from this year's standout conversations to uncover one powerful truth: AI only works when your fundamentals do. Hear insights from Mark Sirkin, Susan Walsh, Vanessa Liu, Cecilia Dones, Charlie de Thibault, and Mike Kaput on strategy, data quality, leadership, and the future of AI agents.

SHOWPAGE: www.ninjacat.io/blog/ai-only-works-when-the-fundamentals-work

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