On this episode of Dirt From the Dugout, Karl Ravech and Justin Musil wrap up their conversation with five-time World Series champion David Cone, digging into the paradox of “turning your brain off” on the mound which Cone argues the best pitchers have already done so much mental preparation that trusting your stuff in the moment just looks effortless. He opens up about why catchers, not fellow pitchers or hitters, gave him the most honest feedback throughout his career, and breaks down the delicate pitcher-catcher dynamic, including how Jorge Posada took it personally when Cone shook him off as a rookie catcher versus Joe Girardi’s total trust.

Cone tells the wild story of how a locker room blowup with David Wells over a blown bullpen game turned into one of his closest friendships, setting the stage for Wells’s perfect game two weeks later, and reflects on Ken Griffey Jr. as the toughest hitter he ever faced.

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