• #55: Inside Moosylvania’s bet on senior talent and growth, with CEO Andrew Cohen
    Jan 26 2026
    Welcome to Agency Business.

    Andrew Cohen, CEO of independent St. Louis creative agency Moosylvania, joined Brian and Olivia for a candid conversation about building an agency around senior talent, continuity, and long-term thinking.

    Andrew shares the origin story of Moosylvania, founded by his father after leaving an IPG-owned agency, and reflects on taking over leadership during the pandemic as the firm evolved into a more digital, hybrid operation.

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    42 mins
  • #54: Dean Broadhead
    Jan 19 2026
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    Brian and Olivia interview Dean Broadhead, founder of independent agency, Broadhead.

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    31 mins
  • #53: Can agencies charge for value in the age of AI? With Ammunition CEO Jeremy Heilpern
    Jan 12 2026
    Welcome to Agency Business.

    Brian interviews Ammunition CEO Jeremy Heilpern to examine how agencies can defend pricing and articulate value as AI reshapes workflows, timelines and client expectations.

    Drawing on Ammunition’s growth from a category-focused shop into an independent agency with a broad client roster, Jeremy explains why specialization, internal production and deliberate investment decisions have been central to maintaining margins and client retention.

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    31 mins
  • #52: What 2026 means for agencies: AI pressure, economic calm and creative’s value problem
    Jan 5 2026
    Welcome to Agency Business.

    Brian and Olivia discuss 2026 agency trends with media and tech analyst Ian Whittaker. Drawing on his background in financial markets and consulting, Ian frames 2026 as a crossroads year for agencies, one defined less by immediate disruption than by a series of strategic choices that will determine longer-term positioning.

    The conversation explores whether agencies can move up the value chain by better articulating the financial value of creativity, how AI has intensified pressure from tech platforms, and why independent agencies may be better positioned to defend pricing and confidence than holding companies. Whittaker also shares his outlook on organic growth across the major holding companies, the risks facing Dentsu’s international business, and what agency leaders should prioritize when hiring senior leadership in a market where creative credibility and business fluency increasingly need to coexist.

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    37 mins
  • #51: Inside the 4As' 2026 Look Head report
    Dec 22 2025
    Welcome to Agency Business.

    Mollie Rosen, president of member experience at the 4As, joins Olivia and Brian this week to unpack the 4As' 2026 Look Ahead report and what it signals about the future of agencies.

    Agencies face two divergent but overlapping paths, according to Mollie. They can 1. Become platform- and technology-led or 2. Double down on creativity and strategic partnership. We explore how AI is accelerating this tension, why most agencies are likely to land somewhere along a continuum between the two extremes, and how longstanding issues around compensation models, talent strategy and investment risk could determine which agencies are best positioned to adapt.

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    36 mins
  • #50: How independent agencies are competing by putting people first, with Morrison’s Amanda Forgione
    Dec 15 2025

    This week Brian talks with Amanda Forgione, CEO of Morrison. We talk about many of the very human elements of running an independent agency with family roots in the industry, and contrast some of her agency's choices with those of the holding companies.

    The episode also features a brief mention of Olivia's new subscription PR model offering agencies a weekly hour of senior strategic thinking. For details, email olivia@fusionfrontmedia.com.

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    31 mins
  • #49: Steve and Robin Boehler — on the Omnicom–IPG deal and what it means for agencies
    Dec 8 2025

    Welcome to Agency Business.

    This week, Olivia and Brian talk with Steve and Robin Boehler of Mercer Island Group as the industry absorbs one of the most disruptive weeks in recent holding company history. The Bowlers break down Omnicom’s restructuring, including the abrupt shuttering of several legacy creative agencies, and explain why decades of diluted positioning left many large networks vulnerable. They also outline why consolidation is sharpening client anxiety, how brand clarity deteriorated across holding companies, and what marketers really look for when evaluating agency partners in periods of instability.

    Steve and Robin discuss expected downstream effects for talent, pricing and media consolidation, the likelihood of further restructuring inside Omnicom, and why middle management may face the harshest employment cycle. They close by previewing their new book, a field guide designed to help agencies sharpen positioning, pitch more effectively and win more business.

    The episode also features a brief mention of Olivia's new subscription PR model offering agencies a weekly hour of senior strategic thinking. For details, email olivia@fusionfrontmedia.com.

    Subscribe to the Agency Business newsletter for episode notes and analysis. It’s free and drops every Monday.

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    30 mins
  • #48: Independent at scale: the Tombras playbook with Dooley Tombras
    Nov 24 2025

    Welcome to Agency Business.

    This week, Olivia and Brian talk with Tombras president Dooley Tombras, who leads one of the industry’s few scaled, family-owned independent agencies. Dooley explains why Tombras built its full-service model by zigging against industry convention, how independence enables long-term investment in AI and first-party data, and why today’s consolidation cycle is pushing top talent toward indies.

    He also discusses the agency’s hub-and-spoke staffing strategy, what “independence with scale” looks like across Knoxville, New York, Atlanta, and Buenos Aires, and why cultural stability at the top helps Tombras maintain an 83% new-business win rate.

    In News of the Week:

    • Majority of R&CPMK staff exit IPG to join Michael Nyman’s ACC
    • Alex Lubar leaves DDB amid broader Omnicom consolidation.
    • FutureBrand’s global leadership departs as the agency is folded into McCann.
    • WPP Media wins the Henkel account across roughly 30 European markets.

    The episode also features a brief mention of Olivia's new subscription PR model offering agencies a weekly hour of senior strategic thinking. For details, email olivia@fusionfrontmedia.com.

    Subscribe to the Agency Business newsletter for episode notes and analysis. It’s free and drops every Monday.

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    Agency Business features agency CEOs and financial decision-makers alongside third party experts including agency pitch consultants. We are always accepting pitches, and are particularly interested in hearing from women and leaders of color.

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    📩 Brian at brian@madisonandwall.com

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    42 mins