Joy isn’t optional for leaders, it’s what keeps you connected to the story that makes your work matter.

In this episode, Andy sits down with Kate Bowler to explore why joy isn’t a distraction from leadership—it’s what sustains it. Joy doesn’t come from solving every problem or achieving every goal. Instead, it reconnects leaders to the deeper story behind their work—the reason it matters in the first place.

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Here's what they cover in this episode:

• The difference between happiness and joy and why it matters (04:30)
• Why joy shows up in hard moments—not just easy ones (06:40)
• Burnout isn’t just exhaustion—it’s losing the story (10:45)
• How busyness crowds out joy (and what to do about it) (11:30)
• Can you actually practice joy? (14:30)
• Why leaders need joy to stay connected to purpose (17:10)
• Three ways to become more open to joy: do, love, hope (20:45)
• The danger of worshiping productivity (22:00)
• Toxic positivity vs. honest joy (25:00)

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When you identify your areas of working genius, as well as your areas of life-draining weakness, you position yourself to use your natural gifts and accomplish more in every area of life.

In this episode from 2021, Andy sits down with Patrick Lencioni to explore the Working Genius framework and why so many leaders feel stuck in roles that don’t fit. This conversation will help you identify your strengths, avoid burnout, and unlock a more productive and fulfilling way to work.

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If you’ve ever reached a goal and felt an unexpected emptiness, you’re not alone. Success has a way of delivering a moment, but not a lasting sense of meaning.

In this REVERB conversation, Suzy Gray and Andy unpack why achievement alone falls short and what actually creates a meaningful life. Meaning isn’t found in what you accomplish, but in who you serve. When your life becomes a means to something beyond yourself, you trade the cycle of chasing the next win for something far more lasting. The challenge for every leader is to be intentional—because if you’re not, success can quietly drift into something that feels surprisingly empty.

Recognized as one of Forbes' 6 Leadership Podcasts To Listen To In 2024 and one of the Best Leadership Podcasts To Stay in the Know for CEOs, according to Industry Leader Magazine.

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