🎯 "Loss is loss. And we lose not only loved ones, but we lose a lot of different aspects in our life. Losing a child through disconnection... that is a really serious aspect of grief."

Jock Brocas—spiritual medium, psychologist researcher, ex-military, and grief expert—explains the unique grief of alienated parents during what he calls the "Bermuda Triangle" of holidays (Thanksgiving through New Year).

This conversation addresses the grief no one talks about: when your child is alive but you've lost them. When they've rejected you or been turned against you. When you're experiencing what Jock calls "living bereavement."

What You'll Learn:

✅ Why grief isn't the five stages you learned (and what it actually is)
✅ The "golden thread" that runs through every type of loss
✅ Why disconnection—not death—is at the heart of all grief
✅ The first grief people don't recognize: disconnection from yourself
✅ Why holidays amplify grief for parents separated from children
✅ How anger serves a purpose (and what to do with it)
✅ The power of journaling—written, video, or audio
✅ Why gratitude needs to go deeper than surface level
✅ How to know yourself when you've lost your center
✅ Practical tools for processing grief without closure

About Jock Brocas:

Jock Brocas is a spiritual medium, psychologist researcher (finishing Masters in Transformational Psychology), founding chief editor of Paranormal Daily News, and author of multiple internationally published books. With backgrounds in military service and monastery training, Jock brings unique perspective to grief work—combining spiritual wisdom with psychological research. He's spent over 25 years helping people process all types of loss, from battlefield deaths to relationship disconnection to parental alienation.

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Introduction: Grief expert meets Been There Got Out
02:42 - What makes this grief different from death or divorce
04:48 - Jock's background: Medium, psychologist, military
09:01 - Why the "stages of grief" are wrong
15:30 - The Bermuda Triangle: Holidays and alienated parents
20:45 - Disconnection as the heart of all grief
27:15 - Anger's purpose and how to channel it
33:40 - Journaling as cathartic practice
38:20 - Video and audio journaling techniques
42:35 - The first grief: Disconnection from yourself
44:07 - Understanding gratitude beyond surface level
47:18 - Jock's upcoming grief course
48:40 - Final thoughts on transformation

CONNECT WITH JOCK BROCAS:

🌐 Website: https://JockBrocas.com
📱 Instagram: @jockbrocas
📰 Paranormal Daily News (Founding Chief Editor)
📚 Multiple Published Books on Spirituality & Grief

BEEN THERE GOT OUT RESOURCES:

📚 Parental Alienation Course (March 2026): [Link]
💬 Instagram: @been_there_got_out
🌐 Blog: https://beentheregotout.com/blog

#Grief #ParentalAlienation #AmbiguousLoss #LivingBereavement #HolidayGrief #Disconnection #GriefTherapy #SpiritualMedium #ChildRejection #HolidaysWithoutKids

🎯 "I couldn't sleep. I couldn't eat. It was all because of what I was doing—what we were doing—to my kids."

If that sounds familiar, this conversation is for you.

Jill Barnett Kaufman is a licensed therapist, divorce coach, certified mediator, and co-parenting expert who's been helping parents since the 90s. But she's also been exactly where you are—terrified that divorce would ruin her children's lives.

Now, years later, with thriving adult children (including a middle child who recently told her she finally understands what a healthy relationship looks like), Jill shares what actually protects kids during high-conflict divorce—and why your fear that they'll be ruined is probably wrong.

What You'll Learn:

✅ Signs your child is struggling vs. normal adjustment to divorce
✅ Why anxiety and depression in kids look different than you'd expect
✅ What regression actually means (it's not just bedwetting)
✅ Why your ex will treat your child differently than they treated you
✅ How to respond when your ex badmouths you to the kids
✅ The power children have that spouses don't (and why this matters)
✅ Parallel parenting vs. co-parenting: When to accept reality
✅ Communication strategies when every notification triggers your PTSD
✅ Why using ChatGPT for emails usually backfires (and what to do instead)
✅ The one truth that changed Jill's perspective: Staying in an unhealthy marriage teaches kids THAT is what relationships look like

About Jill Barnett Kaufman: Jill is a licensed therapist, divorce coach, and certified mediator who's specialized in parenting and co-parenting since the 1990s. She runs a large Facebook community for people going through separation and divorce and offers group coaching, one-on-one support, an online course, and a book. Most importantly, she's lived it—she went through her own high-conflict divorce when her son was 12, experiencing the same terror about her children's futures that she now helps other parents navigate.

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Introduction: Will my kids be okay?
01:44 - Signs your child is struggling with divorce stress
03:10 - What regression looks like (beyond bedwetting)
04:47 - Anxiety and depression in children: What to watch for
06:16 - When temporary symptoms become concerning
08:39 - Why your ex will treat your child differently than you
09:52 - The power kids have that you didn't as a spouse
11:15 - How to respond when your ex badmouths you
13:40 - Teaching kids to set boundaries (without coaching them)
15:20 - The importance of listening more than talking
17:36 - Why parents shouldn't script kids' responses
19:00 - Parallel parenting vs. co-parenting reality
19:58 - Communication when every notification triggers PTSD
20:45 - Common communication mistakes (even with ChatGPT)
22:35 - The truth about staying "for the kids"
24:25 - Why kids feel responsible when you're struggling
25:27 - How to find Jill and her community

CONNECT WITH JILL BARNETT KAUFMAN:
🌐 Website: https://DivorceCoachJill.com
📧 Email: info@DivorceCoachJill.com
👥 Facebook: Separation and Divorce Support Community
📚 Book, Online Course, and Group Coaching available

BEEN THERE GOT OUT RESOURCES:

📚 Strategic Communication Course: https://programs.beentheregotout.com/strategic-communication
💬 Instagram: @been_there_got_out
🌐 Blog: https://beentheregotout.com/blog

#KidsAndDivorce #HighConflictDivorce #ParallelParenting #DivorceCoach #HealthyParent #CoParenting #AnxiousKids #DivorceAdvice #ParentingAfterDivorce

🎯 If divorce paperwork makes you want to crawl under your desk and never come out, you're not alone—and you're not broken.

Jorie Houlihan, a certified life coach specializing in ADHD (and diagnosed herself at age 49), explains why so many people in high-conflict divorce situations struggle with the organizational demands—and what actually helps.

Even if you don't have an ADHD diagnosis, the strategies Jorie shares work for anyone dealing with overwhelm, decision fatigue, and the paralyzing stress of legal deadlines!

What You'll Learn:

✅ Why ADHD diagnoses are surging (especially for women) and what it actually looks like
✅ The subtle signs of ADHD that get dismissed as "character flaws"
✅ Why divorce paperwork triggers paralysis and decision fatigue
✅ How to break overwhelming tasks into manageable chunks (the "3 questions at a time" method)
✅ Body doubling: The weird productivity hack that actually works
✅ Why analog tools (paper lists, physical timers) outperform digital for many people
✅ Time blindness and how to work with it (not against it)
✅ Celebrating small wins when you don't have a natural sense of accomplishment
✅ Why "I did my best" isn't always enough—and what to do instead

About Jorie Houlihan:

Jorie is a certified life coach who specializes in working with women diagnosed later in life with ADHD. After being diagnosed herself at age 49—30 years after first trying to talk to a doctor about it—Jorie now helps clients understand how their brains work, put guardrails around struggles, and recognize their strengths. She calls herself "your guide for the dopamine deprived" and hosts the podcast "ADHD and... with Jorie Houlihan."

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Introduction: ADHD and the shame cycle
02:25 - Why ADHD diagnoses are increasing (it's not what you think)
04:49 - The three presentations of ADHD and subtle signs
07:19 - ADHD in divorce: Paralysis with paperwork and deadlines
10:38 - The "3 questions at a time" method for overwhelming tasks
13:25 - Externalizing thoughts: Why writing everything down matters
16:42 - Decision fatigue and simplifying choices
19:50 - Breaking tasks into tiny steps (and why that's not "cheating")
23:15 - The dopamine crisis and shame cycle
26:40 - Body doubling: The productivity hack that sounds weird but works
29:30 - Analog vs. digital: Why paper lists and physical clocks help
33:12 - Celebrating wins when accomplishment doesn't come naturally
35:31 - ADHD strengths: Creativity, pattern recognition, empathy
37:57 - How to find Jorie Houlihan

CONNECT WITH JORIE HOULIHAN:

🌐 Website: https://joriehoulihan.com
📱 Instagram: @joriehoulihan
💼 LinkedIn: Jorie Houlihan
🎙️ Podcast: "ADHD and... with Jorie Houlihan" (available everywhere)

BEEN THERE GOT OUT RESOURCES:

📚 Strategic Communication Course: https://programs.beentheregotout.com/strategic-communication
💬 Instagram: @been_there_got_out
🌐 Blog: https://beentheregotout.com/blog

🎯 If your child is drowning in anxiety from family stress and you're tired of adding more therapy appointments, this conversation will open new possibilities.

Brian Barry, Program Manager at Clay Art Center in Port Chester, NY, explains why anxious kids don't need fancy tools or expensive art supplies—they just need curiosity, enthusiasm, and a chance to get their hands messy.

Lisa visits the Clay Art Center to explore how creative activities help children process stress without the pressure to talk about their feelings—perfect for kids dealing with divorce, custody transitions, or family conflict.

What You'll Learn:

✅ Why anxious kids benefit from creative outlets (not more talk therapy)
✅ How clay's messy nature forces kids off their phones and into the present
✅ The misconception that art requires talent or expensive supplies
✅ Why "working with your hands" helps process emotions kids can't verbalize
✅ How failure in ceramics teaches resilience (things explode, break, or don't turn out—and that's okay)
✅ The importance of NOT forcing kids to talk about feelings during creative activities
✅ How digging wild clay teaches science, math, and perseverance
✅ Why parents should work alongside their kids (without pressuring performance)
✅ Alternatives if you don't have a local art center (air-dried clay, local schools, community programs)

About Brian Barry:

Brian Barry is the Program Manager at Clay Art Center in Port Chester, NY, where he coordinates community arts programs for children and adults. Before joining Clay Art Center, Brian worked at an educational nonprofit providing free tutoring for students in grades 2-12. Despite having zero ceramics experience when he started, Brian has learned firsthand how accessible and transformative working with clay can be—no prior experience or fancy tools required.

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Introduction: Art activities for anxious children
00:27 - Brian introduces himself and Clay Art Center
02:06 - Misconceptions about art and who it's "for"
04:07 - You don't need experience, skills, or expensive supplies
04:58 - Digging wild clay: Kids learn from start to finish
06:09 - The science behind clay (testing, absorption rates, shrinkage)
07:38 - Math, science, and art working together
09:15 - How clay helps anxious kids process emotions
10:30 - Technology addiction and why clay forces presence
11:53 - Learning resilience through failure (things explode and break)
13:16 - Student transformation stories: Confidence and growth
14:52 - Getting kids out of virtual worlds and into creative spaces
16:46 - The importance of joy (not performance or pressure)
18:03 - Why forcing kids to talk about feelings can backfire
19:00 - Alternatives if you don't have a local art center

CLAY ART CENTER:

📍 Port Chester, NY
🌐 Website: [Clay Art Center website]
📱 Instagram: [Clay Art Center Instagram]

BEEN THERE GOT OUT RESOURCES:

📚 Strategic Communication Course: https://programs.beentheregotout.com/strategic-communication
💬 Instagram: @been_there_got_out
🌐 Blog: https://beentheregotout.com/blog

🎯 If your adult child has cut contact and you think it's too late, this interview will change everything.Ginger Gentile, director of the documentary "Erasing Family" (free on YouTube), has helped reunite 180 families—including cases where parents had NO contact with adult children for up to 12 years. No email access, no phone number, didn't even know where their kid lived.And here's the surprising part: in the most successful reunifications, the child initiates the reconnection, not the parent.

What You'll Learn:

✅ Why your first step ISN'T reaching out to your child (and what to do instead)
✅ How to release trauma responses that push adult children further away
✅ The social media strategy that works (your kids ARE watching, even with fake accounts)
✅ Why "I did my best" isn't the response adult children need to hear
✅ How to become a "magnet" that draws your child back
✅ The difference between fighting in court vs. strategic preparation
✅ Why celebrating small victories (like a viewed text) matters more than the "big win"
✅ Real success stories: From 12 years of silence to reconnection

About Ginger Gentile:

Ginger is the director and producer of "Erasing Family," a documentary told from the child's perspective about how divorce impacts kids. As someone who experienced parental alienation herself as a child, she brings both personal and professional insight to healing families. After the documentary's release, parents began asking for help reuniting with their children, leading Ginger to create a coaching program that has helped 180 families reconnect—including adult children who had been estranged for years.

⏱️ TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 - Introduction: Reuniting families when kids are over 18
02:26 - The first strategic step (it's NOT reaching out)
04:20 - Ginger introduces herself and the Erasing Family documentary
06:24 - Why you need to become a "magnet" that draws your child back
06:58 - The third way: Not fighting, not waiting, but actively preparing
08:36 - Dealing with the "us vs. them" narrative without becoming defensive
09:35 - When Ginger used the words "you abandoned us" about her own dad
12:45 - The difference between "I did my best" and what kids need to hear
15:20 - Why adult children feel entitled to space and how to respect boundaries
18:40 - How kids spy on parents using fake social media accounts
21:15 - The social media strategy alienated parents are missing
24:30 - Small steps and victories: Viewed texts, brief interactions
27:50 - Why you can't control the outcome but you can control your response
30:45 - The power of releasing trauma responses and staying calm
33:20 - Learned helplessness vs. taking strategic action
37:16 - Leaning into the grief: "It's my funeral and my kids didn't show up"
38:22 - The importance of validation rather than toxic positivity
40:25 - Progress over perfection: Tracking small wins
42:17 - How to find Ginger and her team
42:50 - The importance of community and accountability

WATCH THE ERASING FAMILY DOCUMENTARY (FREE):

https://www.youtube.com/erasingfamily

CONNECT WITH GINGER GENTILE:

🌐 Website: https://reversingparentalalienation.com
📱 Instagram: @erasingfamily
🎬 YouTube: @erasingfamily

BEEN THERE GOT OUT RESOURCES:

📚 Strategic Communication Course: https://programs.beentheregotout.com/strategic-communication
💬 Instagram: @been_there_got_out
🌐 Blog: https://beentheregotout.com/blog

Danny Karon, fondly known as "your lovable lawyer," offers a fresh perspective on the legal system by championing accessibility and empowerment. In this enlightening conversation, Danny shares his journey and mission to demystify legal complexities and reduce the prohibitive costs associated with legal services. With insights from his book "Your Lovable Lawyer's Guide to Legal Wellness," he equips listeners with practical tools to navigate legal challenges independently. We also tackle the evolving role of AI in law, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls, as Danny shares his cautious outlook on its current capabilities.

Shifting gears to the courtroom, we explore the unique hurdles faced by women attorneys and the importance of gender equality in the legal profession. Dispelling Hollywood myths, we shine a light on the nitty-gritty of courtroom dynamics. From understanding court rules to the pivotal role of courtroom demeanor, our discussion is packed with real-world tips for those considering self-representation. Danny's anecdotes serve as a powerful reminder that, often, success in court is as much about presentation as it is about the facts.

Finally, we delve into the concept of legal wellness, stressing the importance of understanding legal rights to avoid costly missteps. Through high-profile case studies like Amber Heard versus Johnny Depp, we underscore the value of legal literacy. Danny's passion for spreading hope through education is contagious, as he channels his efforts into building a brand that resonates with college students and the general public alike. His aim is simple yet profound: to make the law approachable through humor and clarity, empowering everyone to protect their interests effectively.

What if the child who seems to have it all together is actually struggling the most? Join us as we sit down with Colorado therapist Stacy Schaffer, who offers her expertise on the hidden emotional battles children face during parental conflict and divorce. We examine the façade of the "shiny kid," outwardly thriving yet internally wrestling with feelings of guilt and responsibility. Stacy shares strategies to empower these young ones by focusing on their ability to control their emotions and reactions, providing them with a much-needed sense of agency and resilience.

We also explore the creation of "comfort kits," a resourceful way to help children engage their five senses to navigate challenging situations. Discover how to fill these kits with comforting sensory items, such as personalized notes and soothing scents, to offer solace and connection wherever they are. Additionally, we discuss the potential future of counseling services beyond Colorado and Texas, as changes in professional licensing could soon make mental health support more accessible. Tune in for practical strategies and insights that promise to support children in managing their emotions and to stay informed on the evolving landscape of mental health services.

Dr. Elizabeth Polinsky, a distinguished psychologist and marriage and family therapist, returns to share her invaluable insights on one of the most challenging issues faced by military couples: infidelity. With infidelity rates climbing by 22% during deployments, Dr. Polinsky unveils the seven distinct types of affairs that can arise, offering a clearer understanding of the underlying motivations. The conversation delves into the immense stress and separation distress that deployments can impose, often leading to emotional disconnection and conflict that may drive individuals to seek solace elsewhere. Her expertise helps listeners navigate the murky waters of self-blame and relationship challenges.

As technology bridges the distance between separated partners, it also introduces new dynamics that can inadvertently fuel infidelity. Our discussion touches on how tools like Wi-Fi on military ships enable frequent communication but also open doors for missteps. Dr. Polinsky categorizes affairs into three main types—protest or revenge, "come and get me," and burnout exit—each with its unique emotional drivers. With her guidance, we unravel the complex emotions at play and the potential pitfalls for long-distance and military relationships, offering a roadmap to understanding and addressing these issues.

In our final segment, we tackle the intricate psychological factors that often underpin affairs, especially in those with trauma histories or in hyper-masculine professions. We explore the role of compulsive sexual behavior as an escape from emotional pain, drawing connections to childhood experiences that stunt emotional growth. Dr. Polinsky underscores the importance of understanding and patience, highlighting the potential for healing and growth despite the challenges. Through her insights, we aim to inspire hope and foster long-term commitment to change, providing a beacon of hope for those navigating the complexities of infidelity.