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You know that feeling when you look one level up and think, “I never want that job”? We get it. Today we take on the corporate ladder mindset and the quiet pressure behind it: if you are not climbing, you must be falling. That belief feeds the Peter Principle, where capable people get promoted until they land in a role that does not match their strengths, and everyone pays the price.

We walk through what organizations typically do to spot “future leaders” and why education, certifications, and tuition reimbursement often become early signals of initiative. John also shares a candid career example: being considered for higher roles while running into real limits, including communication gaps and how perception shapes opportunity. The big takeaway is that career growth is not a single straight line, and treating it like one can trap both employees and managers.

Then we dig into the alternative, and the concept of career lattice comes up. Borrowing language from Carmille Hogg’s work Lattice.com, we explain how internal mobility can be lateral, diagonal, and cross functional, not just upward. We break down why this approach boosts employee retention, reduces recruiting costs, helps close widening skill gaps, and spreads knowledge across silos. We also name a major blocker, talent hoarding, and talk about what executives and HR can do to reward managers for sharing talent instead of boxing people in.

If you want a smarter way to think about leadership development, professional growth, and internal transfers, this conversation gives you a clear framework and practical next steps. Subscribe, share this with a manager or HR partner, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Presented by John Wandolowski and Greg Powell