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Distance To Empty

Distance To Empty

Written by: Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes
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Become a Subscriber: http://patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod Distance To Empty will take its audience deep into the world of ultra-endurance running, with a particular focus on races exceeding 200 miles. Through in-depth interviews with athletes, race organizers and sports scientists, the episodes shed light on the unique challenges and strategies involved in tackling these extreme distances. Tune in and learn what it takes to reach your distance to empty.Kevin Goldberg and Peter Noyes Running & Jogging
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  • 2026 Moab 240 Deep Dive! Course Preview, Tips & Strategies w/ Jameson Collins
    Oct 8 2026

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    Moab 240 2026 Course Preview: Every Section, Every Change, with Head Trail Marker Jameson Collins

    The Moab 240 starts this week, and we've got a full section-by-section breakdown of the 2026 course. Kevin is joined by Jameson Collins, head trail marker for Destination Trail. Jameson is a two-time Moab finisher and has spent this week out marking the course, so he has current, on-the-ground details on what runners will face.

    Kevin and Jameson cover every leg from the arch in downtown Moab, through the desert of Lockhart Basin, up into the Abajos and the La Sals, and back to town. They rate each section from 1 to 5, ski-slope style, so runners know when they're on a green run and when they're on a double black. They also go through what's new this year:

    • The start moves back to 6 AM, and they explain the reasoning behind it.
    • There's a new 3-liter minimum water carry out of Base Camp, with a 1-liter maximum top-off at the Lockhart water stop. They explain why it exists and how much water you should actually carry.
    • Drop bags are now available at Base Camp and the Oasis.
    • Bridger Jack is a new sleep station.
    • The fire reroute has been cleared. Runners will still pass through burn areas on Shea and the climb from Shea to Monticello Lake.
    • Green and yellow crew groups apply at Shea Mountain and Monticello Lake, along with the pacer drop-off rules.
    • The final section has a construction detour. Runners now come down through Sand Flats and the Falcon Flow trail and finish by running through downtown Moab.

    Along the way you'll hear about the Oasis "mirage," the double climb on Shea, why Road 46 might be the most important aid station on the course, and Jameson's advice for crews: get out and enjoy Moab while you wait.

    In the outro, Peter Noyes is back with his top tip for the race (spoiler: sleep at Road 46), a message for runners listening mid-race, a quick round of Let's Get Deep, and some questionable prep for his own 100-miler this weekend.

    Chapters (main episode)
    00:00 Intro with Jameson Collins
    02:46 What's new for 2026
    07:03 Rating system and Start → Hidden Valley
    12:21 Hidden Valley → Amasa Back
    19:53 Amasa Back → Base Camp (Jackson's Ladder)
    25:10 Base Camp → Oasis via Lockhart (water carry rules)
    33:30 Oasis → Indian Creek
    35:40 Indian Creek → The Island
    40:56 The Island → Bridger Jack
    46:23 Bridger Jack → Shea Mountain
    51:40 Green and yellow crew groups explained
    55:31 Shea Mountain → Monticello Lake
    58:29 Monticello Lake → Dry Valley
    1:01:27 Dry Valley → Needles → Road 46
    1:05:23 Road 46 → Pole Canyon
    1:09:32 Pole Canyon → Geyser Pass
    1:14:48 Geyser Pass → Porcupine Rim
    1:19:02 Porcupine Rim → Finish (new 2026 route)
    1:24:10 Closing advice
    Outro: Peter's tips, a message for runners on course, and Let's Get Deep

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    1 hr and 47 mins
  • Meet the Mammoths; Bailey Gripshover!
    Oct 2 2026

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    Meet the Mammoths — Bailey Gripshover: The ICU, the PCT, and the Potato Lifestyle

    Today's guest spends her working life in a cardiothoracic ICU in Seattle, with patients having the worst days of their lives. When she's not there, she's choosing to suffer on trails — a contrast she says keeps everything in perspective when a race doesn't go the way she hoped.

    Bailey Gripshover finished top 10 in her 200-mile debut at Cocodona 250 this past May, and held the lead in the inaugural MBA at Mingus for a while after sinking a shot she fully expected to miss. This October she's back for a second crack at the distance at Mammoth.

    We talk about what it's like running these races with a medical background: knowing when to pull the plug on an Arizona Trail FKT attempt because of a swollen Achilles, and also completely botching her own electrolytes at Javelina despite managing electrolyte imbalances at work every single day. She also makes a strong case for being the best-prepared person in the field on sleep — 12-to-14-hour ICU shifts, flip-flopping between days and nights, operating at a high level while exhausted because there isn't another option.

    Plus: how hiking the PCT in 2019 introduced her to the idea that people race these distances at all, why the Eastern Sierra is family terrain (her grandpa did the JMT, and she summited Whitney with her mom and sister for her mom's 60th), and her Mammoth 200 video game result — currently second on our leaderboard at 68 hours, after a first attempt where she DNF'd because her feet disintegrated on the pumice. She is now, genuinely, reconsidering gaiters.

    In this episode:

    • Perspective from the ICU, and why it's "just running"
    • When medical knowledge helps, and when it doesn't
    • Shift work as accidental sleep-deprivation training
    • Four hours of sleep and almost no hallucinations at Cocodona
    • A virtual DNF by foot destruction, and a potential gaiter conversion
    • Making a basket at Mingus and riding the high
    • Her prediction: this will have the best aid station food in ultrarunning
    • Peter's preferred potato orientation

    Mammoth 200 kicks off Friday, October 2nd in Mammoth Lakes, California. Catch live coverage on the Mountain Outpost YouTube channel, and follow @Mammoth200 for updates and tracking throughout the race.

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    21 mins
  • The Mammoth 200 Course Preview for 2026!
    Sep 30 2026
    ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Play The Mammoth 200⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Video Game!Learn about our Patreon Offers!: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/DistancetoEmptyPod ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Get some free DTE Swag by supporting out sponsors!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://janji.com/pages/distance-to-empty⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and be sure to select 'podcast' > 'Distance to Empty' on the post purchase "How did you hear about Janji" page. Thank you!Check out Mount to Coast here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mounttocoast.com/discount/Distance⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kevin and Peter break down the 2026 Mammoth 200 course, just days before race weekend. Kevin ran the race last year and shares his memories of each section, while Peter, who hasn't run it, serves as emotional support co-host. They cover what's changed for 2026 and go through the course section by section, with difficulty ratings, crew tips, and where things get tough.What's new in 2026Start time is 9 AM, an hour later than last year, and the race is a week later in the calendarThe course is now billed at 218 miles (up from 214), and the cutoff has been extended to 109 hoursGU Energy Labs replaces Never Second as the nutrition sponsor, and all aid stations are cuplessDuck Pass (mile 17) is now water onlyThe first crew-accessible stop is now CRC at mile 24, about 8 miles sooner than last year's Sherwin CreekThe longest gap between aid stations is now 15.4 miles (CRC to Convict Lake)Crowley Lake has moved to the ball fieldGreen Church is now Watterson SummitLee Vining has moved to Gus Hess Community Park, with an outdoor sleep stationRunners now pass under Highway 395 at the Rush Creek Overpass instead of crossing with a crossing guardWalker Lake is now a full aid stationThere's a new water drop at the bottom of the Parker Bench descentJune Lake Junction replaces Obsidian Dome, and Upper Deadman (Glass Creek) replaces Inyo CratersThe indoor Main Lodge aid station (mile 207) replaces Minaret Vista, followed by a steeper, shorter climb to the summitThe course by the numbers218 miles, roughly 31,000 feet of gain and lossHigh point of 11,053 feet, with an average elevation around 8,000 feetA loop around a caldera roughly 760,000 years oldSection-by-section highlightsVillage to CRC: the Dragon's Back descent is the most technical part of the courseCRC to Crowley Lake: a hot valley-floor gravel road, then the Convict Lake loop at sunsetCrowley Lake to Watterson Summit: sandy, punchy double track and the Lion's Den tunnelWatterson to Sawmill to Taylor Canyon: some of the hardest miles on the course, with pumice, exposure, and a non-crew aid stationTaylor Canyon to Crater Mountain: fast, runnable double track through Jeffrey pine forestCrater Mountain to Lee Vining: moonscape views, a long descent, and one easy-to-miss turnLee Vining to Upper Deadman: Parker Bench, an overgrown descent, and a steep climb out of June LakeThe final push: Main Lodge, the summit, and a 3,000-foot descent to the villageKevin and Peter also share crew logistics, including a reminder to double-check driving directions to Watterson Summit and Crooked Meadows, since Google Maps often gets them wrong. They wrap up with advice for the weekend: be ready for anything the Sierra weather throws at you, and keep troubleshooting.Important: Always verify details against the current official race and course manual, since changes often happen after recording.Also mentionedThe Canal Corridor Hundred on October 10, where Kevin and Peter are runningThe free Oregon Trail-style Mammoth video game (link in show notes)The Meet the Mammoth series and last year's course preview with HillarySponsorsJanji: Order, choose "podcast" then "Distance to Empty" on the post-purchase survey, and send us a screenshot for free Distance to Empty swag.Mount to Coast: Use code DISTANCE for 10% off.Support the show: Check out our Patreon for coaching options (first link in the show notes).
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