Most runners are chasing speed. Kyle from The Back of the Pack Podcast is chasing something bigger, from World Marathon Majors to a first half Ironman, and he’s doing it with brutal honesty, a wicked sense of humor, and zero patience for fake “real runner” nonsense. Laura sits down with Kyle for a deeply relatable, wildly entertaining conversation about the miles that change you. From Sydney’s punishing hills and brutal sun to London’s six-star finish, from race-day bathroom disasters to the thrill of a medal that means you did the hard thing, this episode is packed with the kind of stories every runner recognizes and every new runner needs to hear. You’ll discover:

• why Sydney humbled even experienced marathoners
• how Tokyo’s cutoffs turn a race into a mental chess match
• why the back of the pack deserves as much respect as the front
• how running became Kyle’s way through divorce, grief, and health struggles
• what it really means to build a community where every pace has a place

Kyle also shares the story behind Back of the Pack Podcast and Chasing Rabbits Run Club, where his mission is simple: make the mistakes so you don’t have to, welcome every newcomer, and remind runners that finishing is finishing, whether you run, walk, or do both. Laura brings her own candid race stories, from Sydney and New York to Boulder’s legendary 10K, plus the shared frustration of trolls who think pace determines worth.This one is for anyone who has ever felt too slow, too late, too out of place, or too intimidated to call themselves a runner. If you need permission to start, to keep going, or to be proud of the finish line you earned, press play.