This is it. The final episode (side 1) of The Get a Grip on Lighting Podcast. Michael and Greg reflect on the past 8 years and 400+ episodes.

Sponsor: Keystone, www.keystonetech.com

Building the Boat While the Water is Rising with Scott Wachter [Pat: this is the new title changed from the live stream]

In this second-to-final episode of Get a Grip on Lighting, hosts Michael and Greg sit down with Scott Wachter — the mind behind the Lighting Industry News Brief and a key player in countless NAILD projects since 2019.

✨ Highlights:
Scott reflects on his journey from theater kid to the lighting industry’s go-to reporter.
Behind-the-scenes stories: live stream chaos, hilarious committee misfires, and the infamous “gun case in Vegas.”
The art of writing quirky titles (“TVs Blossom” explained!) and why reporting beats opinion-driven journalism.
Favorite wins, surprising failures, and the joy of seeing the News Brief chart alongside CNN and Bloomberg.
Scott’s next chapter: taking over Restoring Darkness and pushing it to new heights.

🔥 Why watch?
This episode is part farewell, part celebration — honoring Scott as the “George Harrison” of the Get a Grip band.

Connect with Scott:
https://naild.org/lighting-industry-news-brief/
https://restoringdarkness.com/darkness-news-update/
linkedin.com/in/scott-wachter-5a3109113

Sponsor: Satco, satco.com

In this episode, Michael and Greg sit down with Devin Wall, one of the inventive forces behind Louvers International, to unpack the infamous DLC report and the future of lighting standards.

🔥 Highlights:

• The history of industry pushback against DLC certifications (from mafia skits to cease-and-desist letters).
• Devin’s hands-on approach: walking the factory floor, designing real solutions, and tackling heritage lighting retrofits.
• Why many manufacturers see DLC as interference rather than innovation.
• The bigger picture: global standards, sustainability, interoperability, and whether energy efficiency certifications are even relevant anymore.
• Anecdotes from the trenches—cheap imports, failing drivers, and the need for real accountability in lighting.

⚡ This isn’t just another lighting chat—it’s a candid, fiery look at how the industry can move forward with creativity, collaboration, and common sense.

👉 Watch now to hear why Devin Wall might just be the mad scientist lighting needs.

Connect with Devin:

www.louversintl.com

Instagram - @Louversintl

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/louversinternational

Twitter - @louversintl

YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/800LifesOk

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/devin-wall-22856a15/

Sponsor: Louvers International, louversintl.com, @louversintl