This is a listener requested episode, and it is a WILD one. In the '90s, Vancouver sold itself as progressive, scenic, and safe. Meanwhile, women were disappearing at a rate that should have set the city on fire.

This episode dives headfirst into the Robert Pickton pig farm murders and the long stretch of time where everyone who should’ve been paying attention very aggressively did not. We’re talking about a killer who didn’t hide, didn’t rush, and didn’t need to, because the system around him made it painfully clear exactly whose lives were considered disposable.

Kat and Holly break down how Pickton’s farm became a revolving door of vulnerable women, biker parties, drugs, and law enforcement indifference. From the chaos of Piggy’s Palace to the methodical horror of what happened once women were isolated, this case isn’t just about one man. It’s about how misogyny, racism, and classism stacked the deck so hard that dozens of women never stood a chance.

There’s no clean narrative here. No satisfying justice arc. Just years of ignored warnings, dismissed survivors, and families left screaming into the void while authorities debated whether these women were worth the effort.

This isn’t a comfort-listen.

It’s a reckoning.

All true crime. No chill.

Quotes referenced from source material:

On the Farm by Stevie Cameron

Victims Associated With the Robert Pickton Case

(Names commonly cited by investigators, journalists, and inquiries. Not all cases resulted in charges or convictions, but these women existed and mattered.)

Sereena Abotsway

Mona Lee Wilson

Andrea Joesbury

Marnie Frey

Georgina Papin

Brenda Wolfe

Andrea “Dee Dee” Wicks

Helen Hallmark

Sarah de Vries

Ramona Montour

Tanya Holyk

Sherry Irving

Patricia Johnson

Diane Rock

Dawn Crey

Debbie Miller

Patricia Cook

Louise Bleau

Brenda Mahoney

Shelley Hrehoresen

Nancy Clark

Judy Versnel

Jane Doe

and additional unidentified or disputed victims linked through DNA, remains, or disappearance patterns

(The true number is unknown. Pickton himself claimed 49.)

Kat and Holly dig into how Colby Vinson was pushed out of his own child’s life through escalating control, false narratives, and a custody fight that stopped being about a child and became about winning. The girls get fired up about the effects gatekeeping has on children, and how it can ruin lives.

They break down how ordinary parenting was reframed as a threat, how access became leverage, and how resentment curdled into something far more dangerous.

The case shows what happens when gatekeeping turns into a weapon, when control matters more than consequences, and when no one steps in before the damage is permanent.

This episode takes a swan dive into the lies, manipulation, and unchecked audacity of Pamela Hupp — a woman who somehow kept surviving tragedy while everyone around her didn’t.

Kat and Holly dig in together, peeling back every version of Pamela’s story, from the “concerned friend” act to the insurance policies, the conveniently timed deaths, and the confidence that let her keep rewriting reality in real time. We trace how her narratives shifted, why investigators missed what was right in front of them, and how charm and certainty bought her far more time than she ever should’ve had.

This isn’t a surface-level recap. It’s a deep dive into how a story can be controlled, how systems hesitate, and how one person exploited both — over and over again. Together, we follow the trail until it finally collapses under its own weight.

If you like your true crime thorough, sharp, and completely allergic to excuses, buckle up — this one gets ugly fast.

Producer note: **We, unfortunately, had to unpublish and re-upload this episode due to a Spotify technical issue. Rest assured, this episode will play smoothly from now on. Sorry for any inconvenience**

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The Cleveland Torso Murders

Between 1934 and 1938, bodies began appearing across Cleveland—dismembered, decapitated, and left in public places to be found. The violence wasn’t subtle. The patterns weren’t hidden. And yet, the case collapsed under its own chaos.

In this episode of Hot Mess Murder Club, Kat and Holly break down the Cleveland Torso Murders—also known as the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run—and expose how nonstop police activity replaced actual investigative strategy. Victims were reduced to labels instead of names. Evidence was fragmented across precincts. Patterns were documented but never connected. And political pressure turned panic into policy.

From unidentified victims like the Tattooed Man and the Lady of the Lake, to the arrival of Eliot Ness and his headline-driven “solutions,” this case shows how an investigation can look busy, burn neighborhoods, and still go absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a mystery about a brilliant killer.
It’s a case study in what happens when no one is required to prove they’re doing their job.

🔥 Why this case is a Hot Mess:
Victims were dehumanized.
Patterns were ignored.
Evidence was scattered.
Politics replaced accountability.
And failure became routine.

New episodes drop every Monday.
The plot only thickens from here. See you there!

Welcome everyone! This is my very first episode, so please take it easy on me... I'm new here :)

Pamela Smart’s case is the cautionary tale nobody asked for: a 22-year-old school media coordinator who thought seducing a 15-year-old student was a brilliant life choice, then acted shocked—shocked!—when her teenage lover and his friends killed her husband like this was some after-school special gone feral. And just when you think the chaos has peaked… it doesn’t. The "hits" keep coming, and the truth gets even murkier.

Yeah—this one only gets messy.

In this teaser, Kat admits episode one was basically her practice round — but everything changes now that her best friend of 20 years, Holly, is joining the show. Their one-of-a-kind vibe brings a fresh mix of honesty, humor, and those “did-they-really-just-say-that?” moments.

They’re diving straight into a case that hits very close to home — an active investigation currently in the courts. Their guest, a longtime friend who reached out to share her story after tragedy struck her life, gives an exclusive look inside the case with details that demand answers.

It’s factual, in-depth, emotional, and still unmistakably Hot Mess.
New episodes drop every Monday - consider it your alibi.

Welcome to the club!

The conversation delves into the tragic murder of Joseph Gorka, a 76-year-old man, by his neighbor Mikhail Tsukerman. It explores Joseph's life through the eyes of his daughter, the escalating conflict between him and Tsukerman, the investigation that followed, and the impact of the murder on Joseph's family. The discussion emphasizes the failures of the justice system and the importance of accountability, as well as the emotional toll on the victim's family. The conversation concludes with a call to action for community members to intervene in escalating situations to prevent tragedies.