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How Soccer Explains Leadership Podcast

How Soccer Explains Leadership Podcast

Written by: Philip Darke & Paul Jobson
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Hosts Paul Jobson and Phil Darke have decades of experience as leaders, husbands, fathers, soccer coaches, players, and referees. In this podcast, Paul and Phil will have conversations with guests from the worlds of leadership and soccer about how we can flourish by examining life and leadership through the lens of the "beautiful game."ⓒ2020 Philip Darke Economics Football Management Management & Leadership
Episodes
  • Schellas Hyndman | Change Your Story - RECAST
    Oct 15 2026

    In Episode 208, we are recasting our great conversation with legendary coach, Schellas Hyndman, United Soccer Coaches Hall of Fame Member, former Head Coach of FC Dallas, SMU Men's Soccer (where he coached for 24 years), GCU Men's Soccer, Eastern Illinois Men's Soccer, and Murray State Men's Soccer, husband, and father. In the episode, he talked with Phil and Paul about lessons learned during his incredible childhood, playing, and coaching journey, how his martial arts background translates to the soccer pitch, building trust and accountability in our teams, some stories about how he built trust with players and kept them accountable to the team standards, why coaching in the MLS was one of the best things he has ever done AND one of the worst things he has ever done, the most influential coaches in his life, changing your story, and much more. Specifically, Coach Hyndman discusses:

    · His personal story and coaching journey, including how he grew his passion for soccer, leadership, and coaching, and what he is doing in retirement (4:36)

    · How his family fled Macau and made their way to the US during his childhood (23:41)

    · His personal why/life purpose and how he is living it out today (30:31)

    · Lessons he learned from martial arts that he has used on the soccer pitch and the importance of cross-discipline learning (35:22)

    · How his experiences in his "estagio" (i.e., apprentice coaching) in Brazil shaped his coaching in the college game in the US (44:03)

    · The importance of building trust and creating an accountability system in our teams (50:52)

    · His experience coaching in the MLS professional game and how it was similar and different from the college game. Why coaching in the pro ranks was the best and worst thing he has ever done (54:10)

    · Why we need to pour into our young talent, particularly the underprivileged young players, and keep them accountable to values and morals, and how we can do it – and a story about a great player from South America that will definitely make you think (1:01:00)

    · His most influential coaches and how he is using the lessons learned from them in his life today (1:06:32)

    · How he is using lessons learned from the beautiful game in his marriage and parenting (1:12:04)

    · His book and other recommendations (1:16:40)

    Resources and Links from this Episode

    · Video of the Episode

    · HSEL Facebook Group

    · Warrior Way Soccer

    · Providence World (Donations to HSEL Podcast)

    · Coaching the Bigger Game Program

    · Phil's email for DISC Training

    · Changing Your Story: How to Take Control of Your Life, Create Change, and Achieve Your Goals, Bill Beswick

    Living on the Volcano: The Secrets of Surviving as a Football Manager, Michael Calvin

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    1 hr and 20 mins
  • Don Williams | Finding the Right Fit - RECAST
    Oct 1 2026

    In Episode 207, we are recasting our second interview with Don Williams, SRUSA Head of Operations for the Americas and former college coach at every level. He talks with Paul and Phil about modern trends impacting youth soccer and college recruitment. They explore the implications of the transfer portal, the challenges and opportunities related to international player recruitment, and how these transformations affect high school and club soccer. Williams shares his experiences with helping players navigate the complexities of college soccer aspirations and emphasizes the importance of intrinsic motivation and appropriate fit over superficial labels. Issues such as NIL (name, image, likeness) and the potential changes in college sports dynamics are also addressed. Specifically, they cover:

    · 05:38 What Don's been up to since the last time we had him on HSEL

    · 06:51 Transfer Portal and College Soccer Landscape

    · 21:44 Intrinsic Motivation in Soccer

    · 27:35 Changes in Youth and College Soccer

    · 38:35 The Impact of Adult Expectations on Youth Sports

    · 39:46 The Pursuit of Status and Its Emotional Toll

    · 41:18 Finding the Right Fit

    · 42:39 Balancing Competition and Enjoyment

    · 46:21 The College Soccer Dilemma

    · 54:55 The Role of International Players in College Soccer

    · 01:08:13 Future Trends and Challenges in College Sports

    Resources and Links from this Episode

    · SRUSA Website

    · Uncut Video of the Episode

    · HSEL Facebook Group

    · Warrior Way Soccer

    · Phil's email for DISC Coaching and Training

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • Achieved vs. Received Identity with Graham Daniels, Director of Cambridge United and Christians in Sport - RECAST
    Sep 17 2026

    In Episode 206, we are giving you an annual dose of one of our favorite interviews of all time, going back to our conversation with Graham Daniels, Ph.D., Director of Cambridge United, Director of Christians in Sport, and former player for Cambridge United and Cardiff City. He talked with us about the "Pray, Play, Say" discipleship/leadership method, his personal why, his incredible testimony of how he came to his faith in Jesus Christ and how one pivotal moment changed the course of his life forever, the critical importance of a Christian identity in elite football, achieved vs. received identity, Service vs. Survival, humility, and a leader who he respects deeply. Specifically, Graham discusses:

    · His personal story, including how he grew his passion for football, coaching, ministry, and leadership, and how he got to be where he is today

    · An incredible story about how he came to his Christian faith, despite one of the "worst evangelists" of all time

    · His personal why/mission statement and how he is living it out

    · Achieved identity vs. Received identity - Identity formation and his Ph.D. thesis on the necessity of Christian identity in dealing with performance requirements of elite football

    · Three things that provide a framework for ministry in sports

    · Safe to serve, not scared and surviving

    · A defining moment in his life and how it impacted his development

    · A leader that sticks out above the rest to him (A Premier League Manager that may surprise you)

    · How he has used lessons learned from sports in his marriage and parenting

    · His recommendations

    Resources and Links from this Episode

    · Uncut Video of the Episode

    · HSEL Facebook Group

    · Warrior Way Soccer

    · Phil's email for DISC Training

    · Humility, by Andrew Murray

    · Ted Lasso (Apple TV+)

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    1 hr and 8 mins
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