What if the key to navigating work, parenting, and pressure… was thinking more like a poker player?
In this episode of the Modern Load Podcast (MOLO), host Sophie Bruce is joined by Jo Living — entrepreneur, former investment banker, and founder of Aces High — to explore how risk, decision-making, and confidence show up in both business and family life.
From growing up in a high-achieving household to building and exiting a startup, Jo shares how her relationship with money, ambition, and independence has evolved — and how poker strategy became an unexpected lens for navigating high-stakes moments at work and at home.
This is a conversation about ownership, negotiation, and why trying to “do it all” might be the wrong game to play.
What we cover:
- Why the “modern load” is a systemic problem — not a personal failure
- How childhood shapes ambition, money mindset, and independence
- The reality of high-performance careers alongside parenting
- Why resentment builds in relationships — and how to fix it
- “Divide and conquer” vs trying to do everything together
- What poker teaches us about risk, confidence, and decision-making
- Why women hesitate to “play the hand” they’ve been dealt
- The pressure of being a high-achieving parent (and letting go of perfection)
- How to practically split the mental load in a relationship
- The role of tech, distraction, and always-on expectations
Chapters:
00:00 – Poker, parenting, and the modern load
01:01 – Meet Jo Living: entrepreneur, poker strategist, founder
02:30 – Growing up in a high-achieving family
04:00 – Financial shifts and early independence
05:03 – Investment banking and chasing money
05:42 – Walking away and becoming an entrepreneur
08:28 – Building and exiting a startup
09:40 – Cards, strategy, and discovering poker
12:12 – Winning her first poker tournament
13:26 – From poker table to business strategy
14:44 – Parenting, flexibility, and “divide & conquer”
16:09 – Burnout, self-care, and resetting under pressure
17:01 – Resentment and the imbalance of the load
18:21 – Careers, trade-offs, and real-world constraints
20:01 – The “perfect storm” of modern life
21:30 – Why couples misjudge the load (130% problem)
22:20 – Systemic failure vs individual blame
23:15 – Practical ways to split responsibilities
25:05 – Letting go of perfection in parenting
26:22 – Communication, negotiation, and partnership
28:14 – The myth of the “super mum”
30:24 – Parenting differences and decision-making
31:04 – Screen time, tech, and modern challenges
33:04 – Always-on culture and mental load
35:36 – Advice to younger self: know your value
36:49 – First job, money, and early lessons
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