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Independent Minds

Independent Minds

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'Independent Minds', a Pictet Group podcast, brings you business insight from a slightly different angle. Accessible, unscripted, and conversational. Representing Gen-Z in the workplace, Pictet’s Gaia Stanzani Ghedini and Angelica O’Donnell speak with accomplished professionals to unpack how their choices, mindsets, and experiences translated into success.Pictet Group Economics Leadership Management & Leadership
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  • Inside Private Aviation: How Bombardier Sells to Billionaires and Rebuilt Its Reputation
    Jan 23 2026

    In this episode of Independent Minds by Pictet, we sit down with Eve Laurier, Global Head of Marketing and Communications at Bombardier, one of the world’s most iconic private aviation companies.


    Bombardier designs, manufactures and services some of the most advanced business jets in the world, flying in over 100 countries and serving ultra high net worth individuals, global CEOs, governments and leading corporations.


    Eve shares what it really takes to market and sell in one of the most exclusive industries in the world, and how Bombardier successfully rebuilt its reputation after a major transformation.


    We explore what luxury truly means at the highest level, how billionaires make purchasing decisions, and why service, trust and long term relationships matter more than the product itself.


    From leadership and confidence to brand storytelling, career risk and building world class teams, this conversation offers rare insight into both private aviation and the mindset required to operate at the top.

    This episode is about leadership, confidence, resilience, reputation and learning to figure things out without trying to do it alone.


    In this episode you will learn:

    • What Bombardier does and how private aviation really works
    • How billionaires and ultra high net worth individuals buy private jets
    • What luxury actually means beyond products and price
    • How Bombardier rebuilt its reputation after years of transformation
    • Why service and customer experience matter more than aircraft specs
    • How complex private jet manufacturing and supply chains really are
    • Eve’s career journey from advertising to global leadership
    • Why “figure it out” is a critical leadership mindset
    • How to build confidence through risk taking and responsibility
    • Why the best leaders learn to get out of their own way


    TIMESTAMPS

    00:00 Intro Who is Eve Laurier and what Bombardier does

    01:10 What Bombardier builds and why business jets matter

    02:20 Eve’s role as Global Head of Marketing and Communications

    03:40 The challenge of marketing to ultra high net worth individuals

    05:00 What luxury really means at the highest level

    06:30 How billionaires actually buy private jets

    08:10 Inside the private jet customer experience

    09:50 How private jets are manufactured and why it is so complex

    12:00 Craftsmanship interiors and aircraft customisation

    13:40 Eve’s career journey and the “figure it out” mindset

    16:00 Rebuilding Bombardier’s brand and reputation

    18:10 Leadership lessons and building world class teams

    20:00 Confidence risk taking and career growth

    22:40 Why successful leaders do not do it alone

    24:50 The explosion of demand in private aviation

    27:30 Why private jets are growing faster than ever


    Follow Independent Minds by Pictet

    Instagram: @independentminds.pod

    LinkedIn: The Pictet Group

    Website: https://www.pictet.com


    Follow Bombardier

    Instagram: @bombardier_jets

    Website: https://bombardier.com/


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    28 mins
  • Why Healthy Fast Food Is the Future The Urban Greens Founder Story
    Dec 31 2025

    In this episode of Independent Minds by Pictet, Rushil, co founder of Urban Greens, shares how three friends left successful corporate careers to build one of London’s most recognisable healthy fast food brands.


    Urban Greens was created to change how people think about fast food by proving that healthy, fast and great tasting food can coexist on the high street. What started as an idea during their corporate years became a carefully built brand focused on quality, experience and long term sustainability.


    We explore how Rushil balanced a demanding finance career while building Urban Greens, why the founders waited years before going all in, and what it really takes mentally to become an entrepreneur in the food and beverage industry.


    From branding and customer experience to pricing strategy, digital growth and social media awareness, this conversation goes deep into what it means to build a food brand designed to last rather than chase hype or exits.


    This episode is about patience, calculated risk, resilience and creating something meaningful in a highly competitive market.


    In this episode you will learn


    What Urban Greens is and how it redefined healthy fast food in London

    Why fast food in the UK has traditionally been associated with unhealthy choices

    How the founders built the brand while working full time corporate jobs

    When and why Rushil decided to leave finance and go all in

    The mental pressure and resilience required to be an entrepreneur

    Why grit often matters more than having a perfect product

    How Urban Greens approached branding store design and customer experience

    Why UK consumers respond differently to food brands than US consumers

    How social media builds awareness rather than instant revenue

    Why Urban Greens prioritised steady growth over fast expansion or exits


    TIMESTAMPS AND CHAPTERS

    00:00 Intro Who is Rushil and what is Urban Greens

    00:35 What Urban Greens is and why healthy fast food was missing in London

    01:40 Why fast food in the UK had a negative reputation

    02:55 Finding inspiration from Europe the US and Scandinavia

    04:10 Building Urban Greens while working corporate jobs

    05:20 Using networks instead of consultants to build the business

    06:45 Balancing finance careers with startup calls and negotiations

    07:40 When the idea shifted from side project to full commitment

    09:05 Deciding to leave stable careers to build a salad brand

    10:30 The mental toll of entrepreneurship and uncertainty

    12:05 Why grit and resilience matter more than perfection

    13:40 Educating the market and pricing healthy food confidently

    15:20 Branding psychology differences between the UK and the US

    17:05 Designing Urban Greens as an experience not just a product

    19:00 Influences from Scandinavia Japan South Africa and California

    21:15 Social media awareness versus direct sales

    23:00 Why Urban Greens prioritised steady sustainable growth

    24:30 The problem with exit driven entrepreneurship culture

    26:10 Fulfilment money and redefining success as a founder

    28:00 Risk taking calm decision making and long term thinking

    30:00 Final reflections on building something that lasts


    Follow Urban Greens

    LinkedIn: Urban Greens

    Website: https://www.urbangreens.co.uk


    Follow Independent Minds by Pictet

    Instagram: @independentminds.pod

    LinkedIn: The Pictet Group

    Website: https://www.pictet.com

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    32 mins
  • Dominic Ponniah Built Cleanology into a £25M National Giant and Changed the Industry
    Dec 17 2025

    In this episode of Independent Minds by Pictet, Dominic Ponniah, co founder of Cleanology, shares how he scaled a family run cleaning business into a £25 million national facilities management company serving blue chip corporates, law firms, broadcasters, car brands and even the Royal Household.


    We discuss how Cleanology grew from a small London operation into a nationwide provider across 17 cities, what it really takes to scale a labour intensive services company, and why the biggest challenge in facilities management isn’t operations, it’s people.


    From early Google Ads hacks and strategic acquisitions to running 120 hour workweeks, surviving Dragons’ Den, and now stepping into the Chairman role after 22 years, Dominic explains the full journey of building a company that can operate without the founder.


    In this episode you will learn:


    What Cleanology does and why blue chip clients trust them

    How the company won the Royal Household contract through Google search

    Why scaling nationally requires new systems, people and structures

    How a single acquisition transformed the company’s profitability

    The real challenges of hiring, retention and evolving the team as you grow

    Why founders must learn to let go if they want their company to mature

    How Dominic expanded into Manchester and why it worked

    What Dragons' Den taught him about resilience, rejection and PR

    Why Cleanology moved from founder led to professionally managed

    What Dominic plans next: writing a book, learning to fly, and new ventures


    Timestamps


    00:00 Intro: Who is Dominic and what is Cleanology

    00:32 What Cleanology does and how they serve blue chip clients

    02:10 How the Royal Household found them on Google

    04:28 The family origin story and working with his mother

    06:45 Early growth, Google Ads and £80 per click competition

    09:12 The acquisition that changed the company’s trajectory

    11:05 Expanding from London to Manchester, the pivotal moment13:18 Launching 17 cities in 12 months after COVID

    15:40 Scaling challenges, people, culture and evolving roles

    17:28 Hiring by instinct, team buy in and hard lessons

    19:40 Dragons’ Den, why Dominic was rejected

    23:10 The rickshaw startup and 120 hour workweeks

    26:50 Why he never worked for anyone else and why founders value freedom

    28:15 On being “unemployable” and hiring entrepreneurial personalities

    30:04 Building teams, autonomy and internal entrepreneurs

    31:42 Advice for young founders entering traditional industries

    33:20 Stepping down as CEO after 22 years, why now

    35:55 Preparing the business to run without the founder

    37:25 What’s next, book, pilot licence, new ventures and possibly politics

    39:10 Final reflections on leadership, scale and legacy


    Follow Cleanology LinkedIn: CleanologyWebsite: https://cleanology.com


    Follow Independent Minds by PictetInstagram: @independentminds.podLinkedIn: The Pictet


    GroupWebsite:https://www.pictet.com

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    33 mins
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